(3+√a)^(1/3)+(3-√a)^(1/3) is an integer, find a

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In summary, the formula for (3+√a)^(1/3)+(3-√a)^(1/3) is (3+√a)^1/3 + (3-√a)^1/3 = 2∛(3a+√(9a^2-4))/∛(3a+√(9a^2-4)). (3+√a)^(1/3)+(3-√a)^(1/3) is an integer if the expression inside the square root (√(9a^2-4)) is a perfect square and the value of a must be such that 9a^2-4
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Determine the positive numbers, $a$, such that the sum:

$$\sqrt[3]{3+\sqrt{a}}+\sqrt[3]{3-\sqrt{a}}$$

is an integer.
 
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lfdahl said:
Determine the positive numbers, $a$, such that the sum:

$$\sqrt[3]{3+\sqrt{a}}+\sqrt[3]{3-\sqrt{a}}$$

is an integer.
my solution:
let $\sqrt[3]{3+\sqrt{a}}=x$
$\sqrt[3]{3-\sqrt{a}}=y$
consider $x>0,y>0$
$x^3+y^3=(x+y)(x^2-xy+y^2)=6=2\times 3=3\times 2=6\times 1=1\times 6$
now $x+y=2---(1)$
and $x^2-xy+y^2=3$ $\rightarrow xy=\dfrac {1}{3}---(2)$
satisfy the condition $a>0$
$x,y$ are roots of $3t^2-6t+1=0$
$x=\dfrac{3+\sqrt 6}{3}$
$y=\dfrac{3-\sqrt 6}{3}$
and we get :$a\approx 8.963$
if $x+y<0$
$x^3+y^3=(x+y)(x^2-xy+y^2)=6=-2\times -3=-3\times -2=-6\times -1=-1\times -6$
with the same method we may get another "a" or no solution
 
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Albert said:
my solution:
let $\sqrt[3]{3+\sqrt{a}}=x$
$\sqrt[3]{3-\sqrt{a}}=y$
consider $x>0,y>0$
$x^3+y^3=(x+y)(x^2-xy+y^2)=6=2\times 3=3\times 2=6\times 1=1\times 6$
only $x+y=2---(1)$
and $x^2-xy+y^2=3$ $\rightarrow xy=\dfrac {1}{3}---(2)$
satisfy the condition $a>0$
$x,y$ are roots of $3t^2-6t+1=0$
$x=\dfrac{3+\sqrt 6}{3}$
$y=\dfrac{3-\sqrt 6}{3}$
and we get :$a\approx 8.963$
if $x+y<0$
$x^3+y^3=(x+y)(x^2-xy+y^2)=6=-2\times -3=-3\times -2=-6\times -1=-1\times -6$
with the same method we may get another "a" or no solution

Would you please show the other $a$ solution?
 
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lfdahl said:
Would you please show the other $a$ solution?
another solution:
sorry another solution will happen at :
$x+y=1$ and
$x^2-xy+y^2=6,or \,\, 3xy=-5$
which gives $x=1.8844,or\, -0.8844$
both yield $a=13.63$
here ($\sqrt[3]{3+\sqrt a}=x$)
($\sqrt[3]{3-\sqrt a}=y$)
 
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Albert said:
another solution:
sorry another solution will happen at :
$x+y=1$ and
$x^2-xy+y^2=6,or \,\, 3xy=-5$
which gives $x=1.8844,or\, -0.8844$
both yield $a=13.63$
here ($\sqrt[3]{3+\sqrt a}=x$)
($\sqrt[3]{3-\sqrt a}=y$)

Well done, thankyou Albert!An alternative approach can be found here:

Let \[n = \sqrt[3]{3+\sqrt{x}}+\sqrt[3]{3-\sqrt{x}}, \: \: x >0.\]

Then

\[n^3 = 6+3n\left [ (3+\sqrt{x})(3-\sqrt{x})\right ]^{1/3}\]

Hence, \[\left ( \frac{n^3-6}{3n} \right )^3 = 9-x \Rightarrow x = 9 - \left ( \frac{n^3-6}{3n} \right )^3 > 0.\]

The term $\left ( \frac{n^3-6}{3n} \right )^3$ is monotone increasing and larger than $9$ for $n \ge 3$, so

it suffices to let $n$ be $1$ or $2$:$n = 1$: $x = \frac{368}{27} = 13,\overline{629}$.$n = 2$: $x = \frac{242}{27} = 8,\overline{962}$.
 

FAQ: (3+√a)^(1/3)+(3-√a)^(1/3) is an integer, find a

1. What is the formula for (3+√a)^(1/3)+(3-√a)^(1/3)?

The formula for (3+√a)^(1/3)+(3-√a)^(1/3) is (3+√a)^1/3 + (3-√a)^1/3 = 2∛(3a+√(9a^2-4))/∛(3a+√(9a^2-4)).

2. How do you know if (3+√a)^(1/3)+(3-√a)^(1/3) is an integer?

(3+√a)^(1/3)+(3-√a)^(1/3) is an integer if the expression inside the square root (√(9a^2-4)) is a perfect square. This means that the value of a must be such that 9a^2-4 is a perfect square.

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4. How can we find the value of a that makes (3+√a)^(1/3)+(3-√a)^(1/3) an integer?

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