A charge q approaching two stationary charges q1 and q2

In summary, the behavior of a charge q approaching two stationary charges q1 and q2 is influenced by the electrostatic forces exerted by q1 and q2. As charge q moves closer, it experiences attraction or repulsion depending on the signs of the charges involved. The net force acting on charge q is the vector sum of the forces due to q1 and q2, which can lead to complex interactions, including potential equilibrium points or unstable configurations, depending on the relative magnitudes and distances of the charges. The analysis of this scenario involves understanding Coulomb's law and concepts of electric fields and potential energy.
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Heisenberg7
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Homework Statement
Two charges ##-q_1## and ##+q_2## are stationed at a distance ##l##. A particle of mass ##m## and charge ##q## is approaching the 2 charges along the flat plane which passes through them (photo). What's the minimum velocity the particle must have so that it makes it to the charge ##-q_1##?
Relevant Equations
##\Delta E = 0##
I'm only confused about one part of this problem and that is setting up the conservation of energy equation. In the solution, they just wrote this: $$\frac{mv_o^2}{2} = - k \frac{q_1 q}{r} + k \frac{q_2 q}{l + r}$$ where ##r## represents the distance at which the force created by the negative charge is equal to the force created by the positive charge (assuming that ##\mid q_1\mid < \mid q_2\mid##). Now, I tried doing this my way and I ran into some issues. $$\Delta E = 0 \implies \Delta K + \Delta U = 0$$ Now, this is the part that confuses me. To get the equation from above I have to assume that the magnitude of velocity and distance ##r## is equal to 0 and that the potential energy at some initial point is 0. Is that true? I mean, for the velocity, sure, it could be that the particle isn't fully in an equilibrium so I guess we can assume that the velocity at the distance ##r## can be 0 because even slightest movement could cause the particle to move. Now for the potential energy, does it assume here that the particle is at infinity because how could the potential energy be 0 unless the particle is at infinity?
From this we get, $$(0 - \frac{mv_o^2}{2}) + (-k\frac{q_1 q}{r} + k \frac{q_2 q}{l + r} - 0) = 0 \implies \frac{mv_o^2}{2} = - k \frac{q_1 q}{r} + k \frac{q_2 q}{l + r}$$ Is this it?
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Clearly the velocity required is less the closer the point at which it starts with that velocity. Therefore the question ought to have stated that it starts from a distance >> l.
 
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haruspex said:
Clearly the velocity required is less the closer the point at which it starts with that velocity. Therefore the question ought to have stated that it starts from a distance >> l.
Well, it doesn't explicitly say that. It just says that they start far from each other.
 
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Heisenberg7 said:
Well, it doesn't explicitly say that. It just says that they start far from each other.
It is the same thing.

"Far from each other" is taken to mean "far enough so that you don't have to worry about how far".
 
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jbriggs444 said:
It is the same thing.

"Far from each other" is taken to mean "far enough so that you don't have to worry about how far".
So, does that mean that we can assume that the potential energy at that "far enough" is 0?
 
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Heisenberg7 said:
So, does that mean that we can assume that the potential energy at that "far enough" is 0?
Yes. If told that ##q## is 'far away' (or words to that effect) from all other charges, it is implied that ##q##'s potential energy can be taken to be zero. It's fairly common terminology.

A minor point...

In an extreme case where ##|q_1|## and ##|q_2|## are nearly equal (with ##|q_2| \gt |q_1|##) and where ##l## is very small, then ##r## could be very large.

So maybe it's preferable to say that ##q## needs to start from a distance ##\gg r##, rather than from a distance ##\gg l##. But 'far way' is simpler terminology.
 
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Heisenberg7 said:
To get the equation from above I have to assume that the magnitude of velocity and distance ##r## is equal to 0
at distance ##r##* For some reason, I can't edit the post.
 
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Heisenberg7 said:
So, does that mean that we can assume that the potential energy at that "far enough" is 0?
I would quibble a bit about that.

Potential energy is always relative to some arbitrary reference level. Only potential differences are physically meaningful.

I do agree that if you are taking zero potential to be "at infinity" then yes, we can assume that "far enough" is potential energy [insignificantly different from] zero.
 

FAQ: A charge q approaching two stationary charges q1 and q2

What happens to the electric field when charge q approaches charges q1 and q2?

As charge q approaches charges q1 and q2, the electric field in the region between and around the charges changes. The electric field produced by q1 and q2 will interact with the electric field due to charge q, resulting in a net electric field that varies with distance. The closer charge q gets to either q1 or q2, the stronger the net electric field will be in that region, which could lead to forces acting on charge q.

How do the forces between the charges change as charge q approaches q1 and q2?

The forces between the charges depend on their magnitudes and distances from each other. As charge q approaches either q1 or q2, the electrostatic force exerted on charge q by these stationary charges increases according to Coulomb's law. The force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the charges, so as charge q gets closer, the force experienced will grow significantly.

What are the potential energy changes as charge q moves towards q1 and q2?

The potential energy of the system changes as charge q moves in the electric field created by charges q1 and q2. As charge q approaches a charge of the same sign, the potential energy increases, indicating that work must be done against the electric field to bring the charges closer. Conversely, if charge q approaches a charge of opposite sign, the potential energy decreases, and the system does work as the charges attract each other.

Can charge q be in equilibrium between q1 and q2? If so, under what conditions?

Yes, charge q can be in equilibrium between charges q1 and q2 if the net force acting on it is zero. This can occur if charge q is placed at a point where the electric forces from q1 and q2 balance each other. For this to happen, the magnitudes of the charges and their distances from q must be such that the forces they exert on q are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction.

What role does the sign of charge q play when approaching q1 and q2?

The sign of charge q is crucial in determining the nature of the interactions with q1 and q2. If q has the same sign as either q1 or q2, it will experience a repulsive force, pushing it away from that charge. If q has an opposite sign, it will experience an attractive force, pulling it towards that charge. This interplay of forces is essential in predicting the motion of charge q as it approaches the two stationary charges.

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