A function f that is not Riemann integrable but |f| is Riemann integrable?

In summary, a Riemann integrable function is a type of function that can be calculated using a Riemann sum. It is commonly used in calculus and is important for understanding continuous functions. It is possible for a function to not be Riemann integrable but still have a Riemann integrable absolute value, which is useful for calculating the area under the curve. However, a function can also be not Riemann integrable and have a non-integrable absolute value, in which case other types of integrals, like the Lebesgue integral, can be used. Despite this, the Riemann integral remains significant and widely used in calculus.
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I was just going over Riemann integrability and how to prove it, and was just wondering is it possible to have a function f that is not Riemann integrable but |f| is Riemann integrable? Say on an interval [0,1] for example. (as that is what most examples I have done are on so easiest for me to compare)
How would this work? Or does it not?
 
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f(x)=1 for rational x
f(x)=-1 for irrational x

Is it Riemann integrable?
 

FAQ: A function f that is not Riemann integrable but |f| is Riemann integrable?

1. What is a Riemann integrable function?

A Riemann integrable function is a type of function that satisfies certain criteria for being integrable, meaning that its area under the curve can be calculated using a Riemann sum. This type of function is commonly used in calculus and is important for understanding the behavior of continuous functions.

2. How can a function be not Riemann integrable but have a Riemann integrable absolute value?

This can happen when a function has a discontinuity or a singularity at one or more points in its domain. The Riemann integral requires that the function be continuous over its entire domain, whereas the absolute value only cares about the magnitude of the function, not its continuity. So, while the original function may not be integrable, its absolute value may still be integrable because it does not have any jumps or breaks in its graph.

3. What is the significance of having an integrable absolute value in this case?

The integrability of the absolute value allows for a way to still calculate the area under the curve of the original function, even though it may not be Riemann integrable. This is useful in cases where the function may have a few isolated points of discontinuity, but is otherwise continuous and well-behaved.

4. Can a function be not Riemann integrable and have a non-integrable absolute value?

Yes, it is possible for a function to be not Riemann integrable and also have a non-integrable absolute value. This would occur in cases where the function is not continuous over its entire domain and has multiple points of discontinuity or a singularity that cannot be cancelled out by taking the absolute value.

5. Are there any other types of integrals that can be used for functions that are not Riemann integrable?

Yes, there are other types of integrals, such as the Lebesgue integral, that can be used for functions that are not Riemann integrable. These integrals have different criteria for determining integrability and can handle more complicated functions than the Riemann integral. However, the Riemann integral is still widely used and studied due to its simplicity and importance in calculus.

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