A proof that magnetic forces do no work?

In summary: In fact, look at the picture you posted. What component of ##F_B## is in the direction of ##v##? None. There is no component of the velocity in the direction of the acceleration at any...In summary, David J. Griffiths' proof of magnetic forces doing no work uses the equation for work dW=0, but replaces the displacement dl with the velocity vdt. The force always acts in a direction perpendicular to the velocity, so the work done is always zero.
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Adesh said:
But we want to prove that the displacement is perpendicular to the force not the velocity.
In one sense there is no instantaneous displacement. There is an instantaneous displacement from the origin, which is the instantaneous position (vector). But, displacement is the difference of two position measurements. As the time increment tends to zero, the displacement over that time increment tends to zero.

The instantaneous quantities must be the time derivative of something. Velocity is the derivative of position and acceleration is the derivative of velocity. Neither of these need tend to zero as the time increment tends to zero.
 
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Adesh said:
In this picture, I have drawn the violet arrow which represents the velocity after a time [itex]\Delta t[/itex] from where the [itex] +[/itex] sign has been made. I have drawn the components of violet velocity, the components are in yellow color and there you see we have a component inwards. What has caused this inward component of velocity? I think it is [itex]\mathbf{F_{B}}[/itex] which acted at [itex] +[/itex] sign has caused this, correct me if I'm wrong.
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I see what you're saying - the displacement is not parallel to the velocity, and we can clearly see that there is a component of the displacement parallel to the force vector, so their dot product clearly isn't zero, so what gives? Well, this would be true if the force were impulsive - occurring over a finite amount of time - so that the force vector was fixed in that direction. But this force arises out of that magnetic field interacting with the particle's motion, perpendicular to them both. The force vector is not static, it's continually changing in lockstep with the particle's position, always perpendicular.
 
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