A question regarding initial values and verifying solutions

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In summary, initial values are the starting conditions or parameters used to define the state of a system or experiment. They play a crucial role in scientific research by providing a baseline for comparison and allowing scientists to understand changes over time. To verify solutions, scientists compare predicted outcomes to actual results using mathematical and statistical analysis. In most cases, initial values cannot be changed during an experiment, but there are exceptions where it is part of the research process. The most appropriate initial values for an experiment are determined through thorough planning and consideration of the research question. This may involve using previous research, theoretical models, or data analysis.
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I want to start out with a quick disclaimer, we had a 75 question homework packet assigned a few weeks ago with a few questions from every lecture and this first one is due tomorrow. I missed a lecture, so am completely lost on 3 questions from that lecture. Just don't want it to seem like I'm dumping my whole homework assignment on here so I don't have to do it myself! Just so close to finishing this monstrous packet and need some guidance! Here is the 3rd question:

Question 3:
Let f : (0, +∞) → (all real) be a 2-times differentiable function. Define g: (all real) → (all real) by setting g(t) = f(et).
a) why is g 2-times differentiable
b) Compute the derivatives f′ and f′′ by means of g' and g′′
c). Prove that f is a solution of the differential equation x2y′′+3xy′+y=x if and only if g is a solution of second order differential equation to determine.
 
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I want to start out with a quick disclaimer, we had a 75 question homework packet assigned a few weeks ago with a few questions from every lecture and this first one is due tomorrow. I missed a lecture, so am completely lost on 3 questions from that lecture. Just don't want it to seem like I'm dumping my whole homework assignment on here so I don't have to do it myself! Just so close to finishing this monstrous packet and need some guidance! Here is the 3rd question:

Question 3:
Let f : (0, +∞) → (all real) be a 2-times differentiable function. Define g: (all real) → (all real) by setting g(t) = f(et).
a) why is g 2-times differentiable

It should be clear that since $e^t$ is differentiable and $f$ is two times differentiable, then $g^{\prime}(t) = e^tf^{\prime}(e^t)$ and thus $g^{\prime\prime}(t) = e^tf^{\prime}(e^t)+e^{2t}f^{\prime\prime}(e^t)$ by chain rule (it should be clear now as to why we needed $f$ to be twice differentiable). Thus, $g$ is twice differentiable.

b) Compute the derivatives f′ and f′′ by means of g' and g′′

I'll do $f^{\prime}$ and leave $f^{\prime\prime}$ to you. We know that $g^{\prime}(t) = e^t f^{\prime}(e^t)$. Thus, $f^{\prime}(e^t)= e^{-t}g^{\prime}(t)$. Let's make a change of variables, say $s=e^t\implies \ln s= t$. Then it follows that $f^{\prime}(s) = \dfrac{g^{\prime}(\ln s)}{s}$, which is what I think they're looking for (please post back if that's not the case). The calculation for $f^{\prime\prime}$ by means of $g^{\prime\prime}$ should be similar.

c). Prove that f is a solution of the differential equation x2y′′+3xy′+y=x if and only if g is a solution of second order differential equation to determine.

I need some clarification on the part in bold (the "to determine" bit is really throwing me off). Are we showing that $f$ and $g$ are solutions to the same differential equation or are we showing that $f$ is the solution to the differential equation iff $g$ is a solution to some other equation?

Either way, I hope my explanations for (a) and (b) make sense!
 
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nathancurtis11 said:
I want to start out with a quick disclaimer, we had a 75 question homework packet assigned a few weeks ago with a few questions from every lecture and this first one is due tomorrow. I missed a lecture, so am completely lost on 3 questions from that lecture. Just don't want it to seem like I'm dumping my whole homework assignment on here so I don't have to do it myself! Just so close to finishing this monstrous packet and need some guidance! Here is the 3rd question:

Question 3:
Let f : (0, +∞) → (all real) be a 2-times differentiable function. Define g: (all real) → (all real) by setting g(t) = f(et).
a) why is g 2-times differentiable
b) Compute the derivatives f′ and f′′ by means of g' and g′′
c). Prove that f is a solution of the differential equation x2y′′+3xy′+y=x if and only if g is a solution of second order differential equation to determine.
For c), let $x = e^t$ and let $u(t) = y(x) = y(e^t)$. Using part b) and Chris's comment above, you know that $u'(t) = e^ty'(e^t) = xy'(x)$, and a similar expression for $u''(t)$ in terms of $x^2y''$ and $xy'$. You can then transform the given differential equation (for $y$ as a function of $x$) into a differential equation for $u$ as a function of $t$. Solve that equation, getting $u$ as a function of $t$, and then transform back to get $y$ as a function of $x$.
 

FAQ: A question regarding initial values and verifying solutions

What are initial values in relation to a scientific question?

Initial values refer to the starting conditions or parameters of a system or experiment. They are used to define the state of the system at the beginning of the experiment and are often used to calculate or predict future outcomes.

Why are initial values important in scientific research?

Initial values are important because they provide a baseline for comparison in scientific research. They allow researchers to understand how a system or experiment changes over time and whether the observed changes are significant or not.

How do scientists verify solutions in relation to initial values?

Scientists verify solutions by comparing the predicted outcomes based on the initial values to the actual results of the experiment. This involves using mathematical and statistical analysis to determine the accuracy of the predicted solutions.

Can initial values be changed during an experiment?

In most cases, initial values cannot be changed during an experiment as it would alter the conditions and potentially affect the outcome. However, there are certain experiments where changing initial values is part of the research process, but this should be clearly stated and justified in the methodology.

How do scientists determine the most appropriate initial values for an experiment?

The most appropriate initial values for an experiment are determined through careful planning and consideration of the research question. Scientists may use previous research, theoretical models, or data analysis to determine the best initial values to use in their experiment.

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