A rod sliding/falling down on a frictionless horizontal plane

In summary, a rod sliding or falling on a frictionless horizontal plane experiences no resistance from the surface, allowing it to move freely. The motion is governed by the principles of inertia and the absence of friction means that the rod will continue to slide indefinitely unless acted upon by an external force. The dynamics of the rod's motion can be analyzed using Newton's laws, focusing on its linear momentum and the effects of gravitational forces if the rod is also influenced by vertical motion.
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Sam Jelly
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Homework Statement
Find the acceleration of the rod’s CM with respect to the frictionless floor. The rod initial angle with the floor is θ . The rod length is L.
Relevant Equations
A = r(dw/dt)
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This is the answer to this question why?

My attempt :
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Your acceleration is independent of the acceleration of gravity ##g##. Does this make sense to you? I would draw a free body diagram.
 
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Sam Jelly said:
This is the answer to this question why?
Are you saying the given answer to "the question" is ##a_y=\frac 12L\cos(\theta)\dot\omega##? If so, the question must be "find the relationship between the linear and angular accelerations", right?

If so, I agree with you. The given answer would be for the case where the rod is not slipping.
 
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haruspex said:
Are you saying the given answer to "the question" is ##a_y=\frac 12L\cos(\theta)\dot\omega##? If so, the question must be "find the relationship between the linear and angular accelerations", right?

If so, I agree with you. The given answer would be for the case where the rod is not slipping.
Yes, the question is to find the linear acceleration in term of the angular acceleration. But my answer seems to be different.
 
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Sam Jelly said:
Yes, the question is to find the linear acceleration in term of the angular acceleration. But my answer seems to be different.
Wait… is the question only asking for the initial acceleration when the rod is released from rest? At that time, ##\omega=0##, so the answers are the same.
 
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haruspex said:
Wait… is the question only asking for the initial acceleration when the rod is released from rest? At that time, ##\omega=0##, so the answers are the same.
It’s the acceleration at any point in time.
 
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Sam Jelly said:
It’s the acceleration at any point in time.
Ok… but why then does it say theta is the initial angle, not the angle at an arbitrary time?
Btw, you do have a sign error, so your answer is not right either.
 
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haruspex said:
Ok… but why then does it say theta is the initial angle, not the angle at an arbitrary time?
Btw, you do have a sign error, so your answer is not right either.
Oh yes I forgot the -sin theta.
I was also confused, at first I thought they ignored the -L/2 w^2 sin theta because it’s like in the radial direction.
 
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Sam Jelly said:
Oh yes I forgot the -sin theta.
I was also confused, at first I thought they ignored the -L/2 w^2 sin theta because it’s like in the radial direction.
Ok.
Just out of interest, here's another way to arrive at your answer.
If we add a horizontal acceleration so that the point of contact with the ground does not move, it won’t change the kinematic relationship we are interested in. In the resulting rotation, the tangential acceleration is ##\frac 12L\dot\omega##, while radial acceleration is ##-\frac 12L\omega^2##. Summing the vertical components yields your (corrected) answer.
 

FAQ: A rod sliding/falling down on a frictionless horizontal plane

1. What happens to the rod as it starts to slide or fall on a frictionless horizontal plane?

When a rod begins to slide or fall on a frictionless horizontal plane, it experiences no frictional force acting against its motion. As a result, the rod will accelerate due to gravity if it is falling, or it will maintain its velocity if it is sliding horizontally, as there are no forces to decelerate it.

2. How do the forces acting on the rod change when it is sliding versus falling?

When the rod is sliding on a frictionless horizontal plane, the only force acting on it is its weight, which acts downward. There are no horizontal forces since the plane is frictionless. In contrast, if the rod is falling, it is also subject to gravitational force, but its orientation may cause it to rotate as it falls, depending on its pivot point and initial conditions.

3. How does the center of mass of the rod behave while sliding or falling?

The center of mass of the rod will follow a straight-line path while sliding on the frictionless plane, moving at a constant velocity. If the rod is falling, the center of mass will accelerate downward due to gravity, following a parabolic trajectory if there is an initial horizontal velocity component.

4. What role does the length of the rod play in its motion on a frictionless surface?

The length of the rod affects its moment of inertia, which influences how it rotates if it is falling. However, on a frictionless horizontal plane, the length does not affect the translational motion since the absence of friction means that all parts of the rod will slide uniformly without any angular acceleration unless acted upon by an external torque.

5. Can a rod maintain equilibrium while sliding or falling on a frictionless surface?

No, a rod cannot maintain static equilibrium while sliding or falling on a frictionless surface. If it is sliding, it is in motion and cannot be in equilibrium. If it is falling, it is accelerating due to gravity, and thus also cannot be in equilibrium. Equilibrium requires a net force of zero, which is not the case in either scenario.

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