A simple trigonometry problem: Put eight coins around a central coin

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In summary, the problem is to find the ratio of the radius of the inner coin to the outer coin in a configuration of 8 coins of equal size around a center coin. This can be solved using the law of cosines or by finding the intersection of two circles with the same radius. Additionally, a universal formula can be derived to find the ratio of the radii in a configuration with any number of coins.
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Using an identity from the Math Stack exchange: ## 4 \cos^2(\pi/5)=2 \cos(\pi/5)+1 ##, I was able to show that the solution @Ibix would have for for ## a ##, (post 35), is identical to mine in post 20, ( with ## b=1 ##). (It takes a little algebra to show that they are the same). Very good @Ibix :)
 
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OmCheeto said:
I appear to no longer understand what we are talking about, and have not since I saw this post.
Is 'a' the radius of the outer spheres?
In that case, I can only see 'a' as being equal to 1.
In the 2-D case, you can put 6 pennies around a penny in the center, and ## a=b ##. It perhaps would be a neat thing to have a 3-D case where you could put 12 balls around a center ball, all of the same size, but we find with some calculations (e.g. see post 20 and @Ibix post 35) that nature/mathematics didn't work this way, but instead ## a \approx 1.108 ## when ## b=1 ##.
 
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Charles Link said:
In the 2-D case, you can put 6 pennies around a penny in the center, and ## a=b ##. It perhaps would be a neat thing to have a 3-D case where you could put 12 balls around a center ball, all of the same size, but we find with some calculations (e.g. see post 20 and @Ibix post 35) that nature/mathematics didn't work this way, but instead ## a \approx 1.108 ## when ## b=1 ##.
I just realized that you can put 12 balls around a center ball two different ways, so.... , NEVER MIND!
(It was in your next post!)

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I swear, that even in my mid-sixties, I'm still as impatient as I was at 12.
 
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<h2> What is the central angle in this problem?</h2><p>The central angle in this problem is 45 degrees. This is because the eight surrounding coins create an octagon, which has interior angles of 135 degrees each. Since there are eight of these angles, the total is 1080 degrees. Dividing this by the eight coins gives us the central angle of 45 degrees.</p><h2> How do I determine the distance between the surrounding coins?</h2><p>To determine the distance between the surrounding coins, we can use the trigonometric function tangent. We can set up a right triangle with the central coin as the vertex, the distance between the central coin and one of the surrounding coins as the opposite side, and half the distance between two adjacent surrounding coins as the adjacent side. We can then use the formula tan(theta) = opposite/adjacent to find the distance between the coins.</p><h2> Can I use this problem to find the area of the octagon?</h2><p>Yes, you can use this problem to find the area of the octagon. To do so, you can divide the octagon into eight isosceles triangles, with one side being the distance between the central coin and one of the surrounding coins, and the other two sides being half the distance between two adjacent surrounding coins. You can then use the formula A = 1/2 * base * height to find the area of each triangle, and then multiply by eight to get the total area of the octagon.</p><h2> Is there a specific order in which the coins should be placed?</h2><p>No, there is no specific order in which the coins should be placed. As long as the central coin is surrounded by eight equally spaced coins, the problem can be solved. However, it is important to maintain the same order when calculating the central angle and distance between coins to ensure accurate results.</p><h2> Can this problem be applied to other shapes?</h2><p>Yes, this problem can be applied to other regular polygons with an even number of sides. The central angle and distance between the surrounding coins will vary depending on the number of sides, but the same trigonometric principles can be used to solve for these values.</p>

FAQ: A simple trigonometry problem: Put eight coins around a central coin

What is the central angle in this problem?

The central angle in this problem is 45 degrees. This is because the eight surrounding coins create an octagon, which has interior angles of 135 degrees each. Since there are eight of these angles, the total is 1080 degrees. Dividing this by the eight coins gives us the central angle of 45 degrees.

How do I determine the distance between the surrounding coins?

To determine the distance between the surrounding coins, we can use the trigonometric function tangent. We can set up a right triangle with the central coin as the vertex, the distance between the central coin and one of the surrounding coins as the opposite side, and half the distance between two adjacent surrounding coins as the adjacent side. We can then use the formula tan(theta) = opposite/adjacent to find the distance between the coins.

Can I use this problem to find the area of the octagon?

Yes, you can use this problem to find the area of the octagon. To do so, you can divide the octagon into eight isosceles triangles, with one side being the distance between the central coin and one of the surrounding coins, and the other two sides being half the distance between two adjacent surrounding coins. You can then use the formula A = 1/2 * base * height to find the area of each triangle, and then multiply by eight to get the total area of the octagon.

Is there a specific order in which the coins should be placed?

No, there is no specific order in which the coins should be placed. As long as the central coin is surrounded by eight equally spaced coins, the problem can be solved. However, it is important to maintain the same order when calculating the central angle and distance between coins to ensure accurate results.

Can this problem be applied to other shapes?

Yes, this problem can be applied to other regular polygons with an even number of sides. The central angle and distance between the surrounding coins will vary depending on the number of sides, but the same trigonometric principles can be used to solve for these values.

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