A world made of continuous matter

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of a universe where matter is continuous and not atomic. It is debated whether this is logically possible and how such matter would be stopped from collapsing to a point. The concept of a continuous world is also explored, with different interpretations and implications. The conversation ends with the acknowledgement that this is not the case in our universe and the thread is locked.
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This is probably stupid question but is it logically possible for a universe to exist where matter is continuous and not atomic? How would such matter be stopped from collapsing to a point?
 
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No, it doesn't make sense, and that's even aside from the fact that you have not defined what you mean by "continuous". I'm taking it to have the normal meaning.
 
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I disagree, or at least I am not sure enough to definitely claim that it is logically impossible. Classical mechanics seems to be logically self consistent, so my initial guess is that such a universe would be logically possible.

Clearly we do not live in such a universe, but in many cases it can be treated as such.
 
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DaleSpam said:
I disagree, or at least I am not sure enough to definitely claim that it is logically impossible. Classical mechanics seems to be logically self consistent, so my initial guess is that such a universe would be logically possible.
I reminds me of a brain teaser from Epstein's "Thinking Physics":

If the universe was filled with a liquid, how would two nearby bubbles in it (of lower mass density than the liquid) behave?
a) Move towards each other
b) Move away from each other
c) Not move at all
 
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DaleSpam said:
I disagree, or at least I am not sure enough to definitely claim that it is logically impossible. Classical mechanics seems to be logically self consistent, so my initial guess is that such a universe would be logically possible.

Clearly we do not live in such a universe, but in many cases it can be treated as such.
I take "continuous" to mean "no space anywhere inside". I guess maybe a neutron star does that, or at least close?
 
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phinds said:
I take "continuous" to mean "no space anywhere inside". I guess maybe a neutron star does that, or at least close?
I think a continuous world would be one where the continuum approximation holds exactly, so there would be no atoms or fundamental particles of any kind, but only continuous blobs of matter that could be infinitely divided.
 
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DaleSpam said:
I think a continuous world would be one where the continuum approximation holds exactly, so there would be no atoms or fundamental particles of any kind, but only continuous blobs of matter that could be infinitely divided.
That's actually what I thought of as well, but I don't get how it's possible. If there are no particles, how does stuff come into being?
 
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phinds said:
If there are no particles, how does stuff come into being?
Classical Mechanics isn't concerned with that. It just predicts what will happen given some initial state. And it often makes the continuum approximation, as Dale said.
 
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A.T. said:
Classical Mechanics isn't concerned with that. It just predicts what will happen given some initial state. And it often makes the continuum approximation, as Dale said.
OK, thanks for that.
 
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black hole 123 said:
This is probably stupid question but is it logically possible for a universe to exist where matter is continuous and not atomic? How would such matter be stopped from collapsing to a point?

We can't answer that since that isn't the case in our universe.

I think the last few posts are a good way to end this thread. Thread locked.
 

FAQ: A world made of continuous matter

What is a world made of continuous matter?

A world made of continuous matter refers to a theoretical concept in physics where matter is infinitely divisible and does not have any gaps or discontinuities. This means that matter can be divided into smaller and smaller pieces without reaching a point where it can no longer be divided.

How is this concept different from the traditional model of matter?

In traditional models, matter is made up of discrete particles, such as atoms, which have a defined size and shape. However, in a world made of continuous matter, there are no discrete particles, and matter is considered to be a continuous, homogeneous substance.

What evidence is there to support the idea of a continuous world?

The concept of a continuous world is supported by various mathematical and theoretical models, such as the field theory and the concept of infinity. Additionally, experiments in quantum mechanics have shown that matter can exhibit wave-like behavior, which is indicative of a continuous nature.

Why is the concept of a continuous world important in physics?

The concept of a continuous world is important in various areas of physics, including quantum mechanics and cosmology. It allows for a better understanding of the behavior of matter at a small scale and helps to explain the structure of the universe on a large scale.

Are there any implications of a world made of continuous matter on our daily lives?

No, the concept of a continuous world is purely theoretical and has no direct implications on our daily lives. However, it helps scientists to better understand the fundamental nature of matter and the laws of physics that govern our universe.

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