About taking ODE directly after taking 1 variable calculus

In summary, the conversation discusses a physics student's plan to take an ODE course and asks for advice on what further mathematics they need to learn before taking the course. It is suggested that familiarity with integration is important, as well as concepts from multivariable calculus and linear algebra. The conversation also mentions that there is more to differential equations than just integration and that a strong understanding of basic concepts can help with understanding more complex ones. Some suggestions for studying calculus II and III are also given.
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This is my first time posting in this forum, I am not very familiar with the rules.

I am a year 1 physics student, and I had only taken 1 variable calculus( I also know some basic linear algebra, e.g. how to calculate eigenvector in 2x2 situation, don't know Gram–Schmidt process for orthonormalising vectors) . The syllabus is the following


Limits, derivatives, linear approximation, curve sketching, L’Hospital’s rule, techniques of integration

Because physics need a lot of knowledge of ODE, I am planning to register ODE course from the maths department. The syllabus is the following:

methods of explicit solution, linear equations and systems, series solutions, Sturm-Liouville boundary value problems, dynamical systems and stability, applications to mechanics, electrical networks and population of species.

Can you guys give me some advice that, if I have the foundation to take this course. What further mathematics I have to learn before ODE?
 
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As long as you are familiar with integration it should not be a problem.
 
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Well, if the course plans to cover series solution, then it probably would benefit you to already know it thus know calculus II already. So if you're not comfortable with integration by parts, trig sub, partial fractions, along with series, then it might be to much for you to learn at once. However, if you understand all that, then you shouldn't have an issue.
 
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There's a lot more to differential equations than integration. First order "exact equations" require concepts form multivariable Calculus. usually covered in Calculus II or III. Linear differential equations, one of the simplest kinds of equations, require concepts from Linear Algebra. It is possible to pick up those concepts "on the fly" but you will be struggling and possibly not grasp the ideas behind the "methods".
 
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HallsofIvy: I have also learned some multivariable Calculus, only differentiation, not integration. Do I need to study multivariable integration before taking ODE?

Thank all of you for the advices.
 
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Have you dealt with "exact differentials" and "integrating factors"? Have you dealt with integrating things like f(x,y,z)dx+ g(x,y,z)dy+ h(x,y,z)dz along a path? Those are important in rather basic first order differential equations. And, while it is possible to deal with "linear differential equations", a major topic in introductory differential equations without having taken Linear Algebra, you will miss much of the theory behind it.
 
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You should be fine, I only brushed up a bit on calc II & III before studying ODEs on my own, having only finished calc I in college before leaving. Calc III is easy, just a three dimensional extension of calc I with a little linear algebra and vectors thrown in (I think? Not sure about the syllabus in a formal class) and calc II is mostly integration formulae that can be picked up while solving many ODE problems. I think you get a better understanding and thus better incentive to remember by reinforcing these simple concepts with harder ones as opposed to mere mindless repetition. Also, you will get a lot of algebra I quadratic formula practice just from working the solutions to second order linear diff. equations.
 

FAQ: About taking ODE directly after taking 1 variable calculus

What is ODE?

ODE stands for Ordinary Differential Equations, which is a branch of mathematics that deals with equations involving derivatives of unknown functions. It is used to model many physical, chemical, and biological systems.

What is 1 variable calculus?

1 variable calculus is a branch of mathematics that deals with the study of change in a single variable. It includes concepts such as limits, derivatives, and integrals, and is used in many fields such as physics, engineering, and economics.

Why is it important to take ODE after 1 variable calculus?

ODE builds upon the concepts and techniques learned in 1 variable calculus. It provides a more advanced understanding of derivatives and integrals, and allows for the modeling and analysis of more complex systems. Taking ODE after 1 variable calculus can also help in understanding and solving real-world problems.

What are some real-world applications of ODE?

ODE is used in a wide range of fields such as physics, engineering, economics, and biology. It is used to model and analyze systems such as population growth, chemical reactions, and electrical circuits. It is also used in the development of mathematical models for predicting weather patterns and predicting the spread of diseases.

Is it necessary to have a strong understanding of 1 variable calculus to take ODE?

Yes, a strong understanding of 1 variable calculus is necessary to successfully understand and apply the concepts of ODE. Many of the techniques and concepts in ODE build upon those learned in 1 variable calculus, so it is important to have a solid foundation in the subject.

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