Almost Commutative Property in Groups

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In summary, the property described in the conversation is the existence of a conjugate element for any given element in a group. This property does not have a specific name, but it is always true in groups. It is also possible for this property to occur outside of the context of groups, but no examples of this have been found.
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Homework Statement


I'm trying to figure out if the following property has a name:

for [itex]g\in G[/itex], [itex]h\in H[/itex], [itex]\exists h'\in H[/itex] s.t. gh=h'g.

obviously this is not quite commutativity, but it seems like it might be useful in a variety of situations.

Homework Equations



I've just finished a proof that if a group K has two normal subgroups G and H, whose intersection is just the identity, and whose join is K, then there exists an isomorphism θ(g,h)=gh for all g in G and all h in H. The key to proving surjectivity involved the fact that since H is normal, ghg[itex]^{-1}[/itex] is also in H (call this h') so h=g[itex]^{-1}[/itex]h'g and

[itex]gh=gg^{-1}h'g=h'g[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I think I've seen this discussed elsewhere, just can't remember the name. ----commutativity?
 
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wnorman27 said:

Homework Statement


I'm trying to figure out if the following property has a name:

for [itex]g\in G[/itex], [itex]h\in H[/itex], [itex]\exists h'\in H[/itex] s.t. gh=h'g.

obviously this is not quite commutativity, but it seems like it might be useful in a variety of situations.
For H a group, the "property" that there exists such an h' doesn't have a name because it is always true! For any such g and h, [itex]h'= ghg^{-1}[/itex] must exist. And that is saying that h and h' are conjugates. Perhaps that is what you are looking for.

Homework Equations



I've just finished a proof that if a group K has two normal subgroups G and H, whose intersection is just the identity, and whose join is K, then there exists an isomorphism θ(g,h)=gh for all g in G and all h in H. The key to proving surjectivity involved the fact that since H is normal, ghg[itex]^{-1}[/itex] is also in H (call this h') so h=g[itex]^{-1}[/itex]h'g and

[itex]gh=gg^{-1}h'g=h'g[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I think I've seen this discussed elsewhere, just can't remember the name. ----commutativity?
 
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I understand that in the context of groups, this h' is just the result of conjugation of h by g, but my thought was that perhaps this might occur outside of the context groups (say in cases where inverses may not exist)? I can't think of any examples of this though... maybe this is just not useful.
 

FAQ: Almost Commutative Property in Groups

What is the Almost Commutative Property in Groups?

The Almost Commutative Property in Groups refers to the property of a group where the product of two elements in the group is approximately commutative, meaning the order of the elements does not matter as long as they are close enough in proximity.

How is the Almost Commutative Property different from the Commutative Property?

The Commutative Property states that the order of elements in a product is irrelevant, whereas the Almost Commutative Property only applies when the elements are close enough in value. In other words, the Almost Commutative Property is a weaker version of the Commutative Property.

Can all groups exhibit the Almost Commutative Property?

No, not all groups have the Almost Commutative Property. This property is only applicable to certain groups, such as groups with elements that are close to being commutative, or groups with elements that have a small amount of non-commutativity.

How is the Almost Commutative Property useful in mathematics?

The Almost Commutative Property has various applications in mathematics, particularly in the study of group theory. It allows for the simplification of complex group equations and can aid in the understanding of the underlying structure of a group.

Are there any real-world examples of the Almost Commutative Property?

Yes, there are real-world examples of the Almost Commutative Property, such as the multiplication of small numbers, where the order of the numbers does not significantly affect the outcome. Additionally, certain physical processes, such as the motion of particles, can exhibit the Almost Commutative Property.

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