Another, use definition as a derivative (as a limit) problem 2

In summary, the conversation involves discussing how to use the definition of the derivative (as a limit) to show that the derivative of x(x+1) is equal to 2x+1. The conversation includes clarifications on the correct formula for the definition of the derivative and correcting mistakes in the calculations. Ultimately, the correct answer is determined to be 2x+1.
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CrossFit415
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use definition as a derivative (as a limit) to show that

Dx (x(x+1)) = 2x + 1, x [itex]\in[/itex] ℝ

Would I need to find the derivative first?

f'(x) = 2
 
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  • #2
No, you're supposed to calculate the derivative of x(x+1) using the definition of the derivative.
 
  • #3
So the derivative of x(x+1) is just 1?
 
  • #4
No, it is not. Since you are supposed to show (by using the limit definition of the derivative) that the derivative of x(x + 1) = 2x + 1, why would you think that the derivative is 1?
 
  • #5
Do you know what the definition of derivative (as a limit) is?
 
  • #6
Is this the definition, Lim h -> 0 [f(a+h) - f(a)] / [f(h)] ?
 
  • #7
Mark44 said:
No, it is not. Since you are supposed to show (by using the limit definition of the derivative) that the derivative of x(x + 1) = 2x + 1, why would you think that the derivative is 1?

Whoops I meant 2x+1 = 2x^1-1 + 0 = 2
 
  • #8
CrossFit415 said:
Is this the definition, Lim h -> 0 [f(a+h) - f(a)] / [f(h)] ?
This would give you f'(a). For f'(x), the definition is this limit:
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{f(x + h) - f(x)}{h}[/tex]
 
  • #9
CrossFit415 said:
Whoops I meant 2x+1 = 2x^1-1 + 0 = 2
2x + 1 ≠ 2x1 - 1.

Note that what you wrote in the middle expression above is interpreted as 2x1 - 1 + 0 = 2x - 1, and that's probably not what you intended. If you have an exponent that is an arithmetic expression, USE PARENTHESES.

Also, in what you wrote, you are apparently taking a derivative, but your notation gives no hint that you're doing this. What you should have written is
d/dx(2x + 1) = 2 + 0 = 2.
 
  • #10
CrossFit415 said:
Is this the definition, Lim h -> 0 [f(a+h) - f(a)] / [f(h)] ?
The denominator should be h, not f(h). Mark provided you with the correct definition. So you want to evaluate
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h} = \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{[(x+h)((x+h)+1)] - x(x+1)}{h}[/tex]Multiply out the top, cancel terms, simplify, and then take the limit. If you do it correctly, you'll find you end up with 2x+1.
 
  • #11
I don't know how but I ended getting (2x-x+1) using the derivative (as a limit) formula.

[itex]\stackrel{Lim}{h→0}[/itex] [itex]\frac{(x^2+2xh+h^2+1)-x(x+1)}{h}[/itex]

[itex]\stackrel{Lim}{h→0}[/itex] (2x-x+1)
 
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CrossFit415 said:
I don't know how but I ended getting (2x-x+1) using the derivative (as a limit) formula.

[itex]\stackrel{Lim}{h→0}[/itex] [itex]\frac{(x^2+2xh+h^2+1)-x(x+1)}{h}[/itex]
What you're starting with is incorrect. It should be
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{(x + h)(x + h + 1) - x(x + 1)}{h}[/tex]

It would make life easier if you rewrote x(x + 1) as x2 + x.
CrossFit415 said:
[itex]\stackrel{Lim}{h→0}[/itex] (2x-x+1)
 
  • #13
Ahhh I ended getting 2x+1, thank you.
 

FAQ: Another, use definition as a derivative (as a limit) problem 2

What is the definition of a derivative?

The derivative of a function f(x) at a specific point a is defined as the slope of the tangent line to the graph of the function at that point. It represents the instantaneous rate of change of the function at that point.

How is the concept of limit used in the definition of a derivative?

The derivative is defined as the limit of the difference quotient as the change in x approaches 0. This means that we are essentially finding the slope of the tangent line by making the change in x smaller and smaller, approaching 0.

What is the purpose of using the derivative as a limit in the definition?

Using the derivative as a limit allows us to find the exact slope of the tangent line, rather than just an approximation. It also allows us to find the derivative of a function at any point, rather than just specific points.

Can you give an example of using the definition of a derivative as a limit to solve a problem?

Sure! Let's say we have the function f(x) = x^2 and we want to find the derivative at x = 3. Using the definition of a derivative, we would set up the limit as h approaches 0 of (f(3+h) - f(3)) / h. Plugging in the function, we get (9+6h+h^2 - 9) / h. Simplifying and taking the limit as h approaches 0, we get the derivative of f(x) at x = 3 to be 6.

What are some real-life applications of using the derivative as a limit?

The derivative is used in various fields such as physics, economics, engineering, and more. For example, in physics, the derivative can represent the velocity or acceleration of an object, while in economics, it can represent the rate of change of a company's profit. In general, the derivative is used to analyze and understand the behavior and changes of various quantities in real-world situations.

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