Ap physics 1 velocity center of mass question

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Can anyone explain how if you add mass to one block colliding with another in an inelastic system, the center of mass velocity of the system changes? Doesn’t the center of mass velocity of a system only change if there is a net external force? In that case the force are equal and opposite, so center of mass velocity of the system doesn’t change, no?
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ldkdkdjdj said:
if you add mass to one block colliding with another in an inelastic system, the center of mass velocity of the system changes?
Does it? Perhaps you need to define the situation more clearly.
 
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haruspex said:
Does it? Perhaps you need to define the situation more clearly.
From the 2021 physics 1 test:
(c) The disk is now moving at a constant speed v on the surface (frictionless) toward a block of mass Mg, which is at rest on the surface, as shown above. The disk and block collide head-on and stick together, and the center of mass of the disk-block system moves with speed Vcm

i. Suppose the mass of the disk is much greater than the mass of the block. Estimate the velocity of the center of mass of the disk-block system. Explain how you arrived at your prediction without deriving it mathematically.
 
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It seems that you are confusing the constancy of the velocity of the CM during a collision with the dependence of the velocity of the CM on the velocity and mass of the colliding objects. For example
Case I
You have equal masses 6 kg each moving towards each other at 2 m/s. The velocity of the center of mass is $$V_{cm}=\frac{6~(\text{kg})\times 2~(\text{m/s})+6~(\text{kg})\times (-2)~(\text{m/s})}{6~(\text{kg})+6~(\text{kg})}=\frac{12~(\text{kg}\cdot\text{m/s})-12~(\text{kg}\cdot\text{m/s})}{12~(\text{kg})}=0~\text{m/s}.$$Case II
You move 2 kg from one mass to the other keeping the velocities the same. The velocity of the center of mass is $$V_{cm}=\frac{8~(\text{kg})\times 2~(\text{m/s})+4~(\text{kg})\times (-2)~(\text{m/s})}{6~(\text{kg})+6~(\text{kg})}=\frac{16~(\text{kg}\cdot\text{m/s})-8~(\text{kg}\cdot\text{m/s})}{12~(\text{kg})}=\frac{2}{3}~\text{m/s}.$$Of course, in each case the velocity of the center of mass after the collision is the same as before the collision. Here you are asked to estimate the velocity of the CM if most, i.e. almost all but not quite, of the mass is moved from one object to the other.
 
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Ohh that makes more sense now, tysmm
 
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FAQ: Ap physics 1 velocity center of mass question

What is the definition of center of mass in relation to velocity?

The center of mass is the point at which the mass of a system is concentrated and can be treated as if all the mass were located at that point for the purpose of analyzing motion. The velocity of the center of mass is the weighted average of the velocities of all the particles in the system, taking into account their respective masses.

How do you calculate the velocity of the center of mass for a system of particles?

The velocity of the center of mass (V_cm) for a system of particles can be calculated using the formula: V_cm = (Σ(m_i * v_i)) / Σm_i, where m_i is the mass of each particle and v_i is the velocity of each particle. The summation is over all particles in the system.

What factors affect the velocity of the center of mass?

The velocity of the center of mass is affected by the masses of the individual particles and their respective velocities. Changes in either the mass distribution or the velocities of the particles will influence the overall velocity of the center of mass.

Can the center of mass move if all the particles are stationary?

No, if all the particles in a system are stationary, the center of mass will also be stationary. The center of mass can only move if there is a net external force acting on the system or if the particles themselves are in motion relative to each other.

How is the concept of center of mass useful in solving physics problems?

The concept of center of mass simplifies the analysis of complex systems by allowing us to treat the entire mass of the system as concentrated at a single point. This is particularly useful in problems involving collisions, rotations, and motion, as it helps to reduce the complexity of calculations and provides insights into the system's behavior.

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