Arc Length of Cycloid: Show s^2=8ay

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The discussion centers on proving that the arc length s of a cycloid satisfies the equation s^2 = 8ay, where y is the vertical position of the cycloid. The parametric equations for the cycloid are provided, and the integration process is explored, revealing challenges in evaluating the integral correctly. Participants note that while the integral evaluates to s = 8a over the interval from 0 to 2π, it does not support the original equation for all intervals, particularly for π/2. The importance of using appropriate limits for integration is emphasized, suggesting that the formula may only hold under specific conditions. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of integrating cycloid equations and the need for careful consideration of parameters.
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The parametric equations of a cycloid are x=a(\theta - \sin\theta) \mbox{ and } y = a(1-\cos\theta) \\ Where a is a constant. Show that s^2=8ay, where s is the arc length measured from the point theta =0

\frac{dx}{d\theta} =a(1-\cos\theta) \mbox{ and } \frac{dy}{d\theta}= a\sin\theta\\
\int\sqrt{a^2(1-\cos\theta)^2 +a^2\sin^2 \theta}d\theta \\ = \sqrt{2}a\int\sqrt{1 - \cos\theta}d\theta\\. I don't know how to do the integration, a hint would be welcome. Thanks.
 
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There's a half angle formula that can help you a lot.
 
IS it \cos2\theta = \frac{1-\tan^2 \theta}{1+tan^2\theta}
 
What is \sin{\frac{\theta}{2}} ?
 
I got this formula \sin^2 \theta = \frac{1}{2}(1-\cos2\theta) \\ \mbox{ therefore we have the integral =} \sqrt{2}a\int_0^{2\pi}\sqrt{2\sin^2 \frac{\theta}{2}}d\theta \\ . When I evaluate this integral I get s=8a not s^2=8ay. I have to look up what the \sin\frac{\theta}{2} \ equals.
 
The half-angle formula is: \sin\frac{\theta}{2} = \sqrt{\frac{(s-b)(s-c)}{bc}} \mbox{ where } \ s=\frac{a+b+c}{2} \\. How do I use this? Thanks.
 
That looks like a triangle formula - why would you want to use that? I agree with you that the integral from 0 to 2pi is 8a. y(2pi)=0. So s^2=8ay doesn't work. It does work for pi. But it doesn't work for pi/2. I don't think its a very good formula.
 
A cycloid is the path traced out by a point on a car wheel as the car is moving at constant speed, I think. Therefore the limits of integration would be 0 to pi.Thanks for the help.
 

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