Are Intersections of Sylow p-Groups Always Trivial?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the intersection of Sylow-p-subgroups in a group of order p or pk and the conditions for their intersection to be the identity element. It is proven that the intersection of two subgroups is a subgroup of both, and in the case of Sylow-p-subgroups, the intersection must divide the order of each subgroup. A specific example using the dihedral group D6 is given to illustrate the concept.
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I want to understand this

If there exists more than one Sylow-p-subgroup of order p then for all these subgrps, their intersection is {e} the identity.

However if If there exists more than one Sylow-p-subgroup of order pk s.t. k>0, then their intersection is not necessarily the identity element.

Is this correct? Can someone provide a quick explanation and proof please?

Does it have to do with homomorphisms to permutation groups?
 
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the intersection of two subgroups is a subgroup of both. do you know the relation between the order of a group and the order of its subgroups?
 
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mathwonk said:
the intersection of two subgroups is a subgroup of both. do you know the relation between the order of a group and the order of its subgroups?

the order of the intersection grp must divide order of G, but it cannot be equal or larger than the order of the other intersecting p-subgroups .
 
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Bachelier said:
I want to understand this

If there exists more than one Sylow-p-subgroup of order p then for all these subgrps, their intersection is {e} the identity.

However if If there exists more than one Sylow-p-subgroup of order pk s.t. k>0, then their intersection is not necessarily the identity element.

Is this correct? Can someone provide a quick explanation and proof please?

Does it have to do with homomorphisms to permutation groups?

let's find an example of this, and then it will certainly show it is true, right?

so consider the dihedral group D6, of order 12. a sylow 2-subgroup of D6, would be of order 4. let's see if we can find 2 with non-trivial intersection.

let H = {1,r3, s, r3s}. since r3 is in the center, r3 and s commute, so this defines an abelian subgroup of order 4. now we need to find another one.

let K = {1,r3, rs, r4s}. to prove this is a group, we only need to show that r3 and rs commute.

r3(rs) = r4s (d'oh!)
(rs)r3 = (sr5)r3 = sr2 = r4s

(since srk = (rk)-1s).

note that H∩K = {1,r3}, which is non-trivial.

(the first half of your statement is obvious, any two groups of prime order must either conincide or intersect trivially, since the intersection would be a subgroup of both groups).
 
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Bachelier said:
the order of the intersection grp must divide order of G, but it cannot be equal or larger than the order of the other intersecting p-subgroups .

Deveno, I haven't read your answer yet, but I was reviewing the Sylow chapter and recognized I made a mistake last night. The intersection must be a subgroup of each sylow p-group hence must divide the order of each sylow-p group. (i.e. pk)
 

FAQ: Are Intersections of Sylow p-Groups Always Trivial?

1. What are Sylow p-groups?

Sylow p-groups are finite groups that have order p^n, where p is a prime number and n is a positive integer. They are named after mathematician Ludwig Sylow, who studied their properties in the late 19th century.

2. What is the significance of intersections of Sylow p-groups?

The intersections of Sylow p-groups play a crucial role in the study of finite groups, particularly in the theory of group actions and representations. They also provide important information about the structure of a group, such as its normal subgroups and automorphisms.

3. How do you find the intersection of two Sylow p-groups?

To find the intersection of two Sylow p-groups, one can use the Sylow theorems. These theorems state that if two Sylow p-groups have the same prime power order, then they are conjugate to each other, meaning they share the same elements. This implies that their intersection is a subgroup of both groups.

4. Can the intersection of two Sylow p-groups be trivial?

Yes, the intersection of two Sylow p-groups can be trivial. This happens when the two groups do not have any non-identity element in common. In fact, the intersection can be any subgroup of the two Sylow p-groups, depending on the specific groups and their structure.

5. How are intersections of Sylow p-groups related to the center of a group?

The center of a group is the set of elements that commute with all other elements in the group. If a group has a non-trivial intersection of Sylow p-groups, then its center must contain a non-trivial subgroup. On the other hand, if the center is trivial, then the intersection of Sylow p-groups must also be trivial.

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