Are Pointer States Primitives in Quantum Mechanics?

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In summary, the conversation is discussing the concept of pointer states and their role in determining the classical world in different interpretations of quantum mechanics. The question is raised whether the classical world is a priori or if it can be produced through a different mechanism, such as the gravitational field. This raises the question of whether experiments can distinguish between these different possibilities. The speaker is seeking clarification on this topic for a lecture.
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Someday if there are experiments that can show it.. it's still a possibility that in Quantum Darwinism or Everettian, pointer states are primitives? This means if there are no pointer states. The universe won't be classical at all.

Because there are arguments that they have to conform to orthodox quantum, meaning observations are primitives and not pointer states.. but this is believed simply because Quantum mechanics started that way? Or is there a theorem that pointer states can never be primitive and everything needs to be categorically traditional QM where the classical world is an a priori?
 
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You are using two terms "pointer states" and "primitives" in a specific context, without definition. It is hard to respond under the circumstances.
 
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mathman said:
You are using two terms "pointer states" and "primitives" in a specific context, without definition. It is hard to respond under the circumstances.

primitives = basic
pointer states = preferred basis

In Copenhagen, the classical world sets the pointer states (or preferred basis) for the instrument and quantum system.. so it automatically has classical basis like position or momentum

In Everettian, there is no classical pointer states.. so it must be produced.

What I'm asking is what is the proof that the classical world is the a priori. What if we have Everettian world all along with just classical pointer states. Maybe the reason we can't distinguish this by experiments is because the gravitational field is one of the sources of the position preferred basis? But this doesn't prove that classical world is the a priori.. maybe we have Everettian world with classical pointer states set by the gravitational field. Is this possible? I'll share this in lectures so need to know the case. Ty.
 
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Hopefully someone else can respond. I have no background fir this material.
 

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