Are static E fields non existant?

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between static electric fields and the motion of electrons, as well as the effects of EM radiation and ionization. It is stated that static E fields are an average of radiation produced by moving electrons, and that even low frequency EM radiation can cause ionization if the intensity is high enough. Keldysh theory is mentioned, which states that multiple absorption of photons can cause ionization even with low frequency radiation. The photoelectric effect is also brought up, which involves the absorption of energy in quanta and the release of electrons. The conversation ends with a question about the potential health risks of high intensity EM radiation.
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Since electrons can never be at rest because they have some non zero temperature,

Isn't the static E field that one would perceive in a capacitor just an averaging of all the E fields creates by electrons in motion on either side of the capacitor plates.

If this is so, since the electrons are in motion, they are emitting EM radiation (light, or photons)

Does that mean that Static E fields are really just averaging of photonic electric fields created by the electron?

(like a Fourier series of various frequencies added together to produce a constant or static field).
 
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Essentially yes. Pretty much anything classical that appears static is a result of the averaging out of quantum effects.
 
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Thanks..


Is that why a "static" field can ionize an electron, but low energy EM radiation (low frequency) can not ionize an electron from its host atom?


Thanks again


AZ
 
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Anyone?
 
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azaharak said:
Thanks..


Is that why a "static" field can ionize an electron, but low energy EM radiation (low frequency) can not ionize an electron from its host atom?


Thanks again


AZ

This seems to contradict Keldysh theory, which states that even low frequency radiation can produce ionization if the intensity is high enough?

Seems the contradict the photoelectric experiment, but not really i guess.

Can anyone give a good description of all of this? I don't feel like they all go together.


Keldysh theory (states that multi absoprtion of photons can cause ionization) high intensity low frequency radiation (that normally provides less energy than the work function per photon) can still ionize an electron.

Static E fields are an average or superposition of radiation produced by electrons in thermal motion, their radiation allows for what would be called the classical energy gained by an electron in a static field?

Photo electric effect deals that energy is absorbed in quanta, increasing frequency above work function results in freeing electrons rather than increasing intensity.

If high intensity low radiation can still ionize, doesn't this cause cancer scares for power lines or high intensity microwave generators?


THANKS!
 
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Any physics genie s out there?
 
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Anyone?
 

FAQ: Are static E fields non existant?

1. What is a static E field?

A static E field is an electric field that does not change over time. It is a fundamental concept in electromagnetism and is measured in units of volts per meter (V/m).

2. Are static E fields non-existent in nature?

No, static E fields do exist in nature. They are present in various forms, such as in the electric fields around charged particles and in the Earth's atmosphere. However, they may be difficult to observe or measure without specialized equipment.

3. How do static E fields differ from dynamic E fields?

Static E fields do not change over time, while dynamic E fields do. Dynamic E fields are created by moving electric charges, such as in a current flowing through a wire. Static E fields, on the other hand, are created by stationary electric charges.

4. Can static E fields be shielded?

Yes, static E fields can be shielded by using conductive materials, such as metal, to block or redirect the electric field. This is commonly seen in the use of Faraday cages, which are used to protect sensitive equipment from external electric fields.

5. What are the practical applications of static E fields?

Static E fields have various practical applications, such as in electrostatic precipitators used for air pollution control, in electrostatic painting, and in photocopiers. They are also important in understanding the behavior of electronic devices and circuits.

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