Are there any almost irrational numbers that have deceived mathematicians?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of numbers that may appear irrational at first glance but actually turn out to be rational when calculated to a large number of digits. The conversation also touches on the idea of numbers that were believed to be irrational but were later proven to be rational. Examples such as the Euler-Mascheroni constant and the square root of 2 are mentioned. The concept of "almost-integer" is also brought up as a related topic.
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Does any known rational number look irrational at first glance but when calculated to 100s or 1000s of digits actually resolve into a repeating sequence? Have they deceived mathematicians?
 
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What do you mean by "look irrational"? Obviously, there exist a number whose decimal expansion is identical to [itex]\pi[/itex] for the first, say, 10 million decimal places, then is just "5"s after that. That is a rational number. Would you say it "looks irrational"?
 
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I think what he means, is there a number which appears irrational, but then after a couple hundred or thousand digits it repeats, meaning it isn't actually irrational.

For example if after 14trillion digits ##\pi## "resets" and started ##14159...## again. Which of course it doesn't but this is what the OP means I think.
 
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What I meant to say was:

Are there any numbers that mathematicians thought were irrational for some time then was proven rational? And as an expansion, what about the converse?
 
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guysensei1 said:
Does any known rational number look irrational at first glance but when calculated to 100s or 1000s of digits actually resolve into a repeating sequence? Have they deceived mathematicians?

We don't look at the decimal representation of a number to decide if it is rational or not, we prove that there are no integers a and b such that a/b is equal to the number.

For example: http://www.math.utah.edu/~pa/math/q1.html
 
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I think guysensei1 is thinking about numbers that aren't artificially constructed for the purpose of "looking" irrational (like the example with pi's first 10^6 digits followed by 5's), but rather for 'natural' examples, where a given number was conjectured to be irrational by most mathematicians until someone proved it was in fact rational.

The Euler-Mascheroni constant is believed to be irrational, but no one has managed to prove this yet. If it turns out to be rational, this would be a perfect example. In any case, I believe a whole bunch of digits have been computed without any periodic pattern revealed yet.

A trivial example of the converse would be the square root of 2, since before the proof that it was irrational, Greek mathematicians believed every length could be expressed in terms of integer ratios. You could also look up "almost-integer", which give a lot of examples for numbers that are very close to integers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_integer

and another relevant link: http://xkcd.com/1047/
 
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FAQ: Are there any almost irrational numbers that have deceived mathematicians?

1. What are 'almost irrational' numbers?

'Almost irrational' numbers are numbers that are very close to being irrational, meaning they cannot be expressed as a ratio of two integers. These numbers have infinite non-repeating decimal representations, and are commonly represented by the Greek letter pi (π) and the square root of 2 (√2).

2. How are 'almost irrational' numbers different from irrational numbers?

'Almost irrational' numbers differ from irrational numbers in that they can be approximated by rational numbers with increasingly greater accuracy, whereas irrational numbers cannot be approximated by rational numbers at all. This means that 'almost irrational' numbers are not truly irrational, but are very close to being so.

3. What is an example of an 'almost irrational' number?

An example of an 'almost irrational' number is 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679, which is the decimal representation of pi (π). Although it appears to be a random string of numbers, it is actually an 'almost irrational' number that can be approximated by rational numbers such as 22/7 or 355/113.

4. Are there any real-world applications of 'almost irrational' numbers?

Yes, 'almost irrational' numbers have many real-world applications, particularly in the fields of mathematics, physics, and engineering. For example, they are used in the calculation of circumference and area of circles, as well as in the design of curved structures and objects.

5. Can 'almost irrational' numbers be proven to be truly irrational?

No, 'almost irrational' numbers cannot be proven to be truly irrational because they can be approximated by rational numbers. However, their irrationality can be proven to a certain degree of accuracy, meaning that while they are not truly irrational, they are very close to being so.

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