Availability at fixed pressure and temperature

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laser1
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We define ##dA=dU+P_0dV-T_0dS \leq 0##. In my notes it says if you fix pressure and entropy, ##dA=dH##. I don't get this, because at constant T and S, I get ##dA=dU+P_0V##. It seems that somehow, ##P_0=P##. Is this correct, or am I missing something?

Second question about this:
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If ##T_0=T## and ##P_0=P## then ##dG=0## which is probably false. But the above image confuses me also. Why can we write ##dH## as ##dU+P_0dV## rather than ##dU+PdV##? Thanks
 
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At fixed pressure, P=Po
 
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Chestermiller said:
At fixed pressure, P=Po
Cool, thanks, that explains the first part. What about the second? At fixed pressure, P=Po. At fixed temperature, T=To. This means that dG = 0, which doesn't make sense, because why not just write that rather than ##dU-T_0dS+P_0dV=dG##?
 
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After thinking for a bit, can I say that P=Po and T=To are only true when processes are reversible, i.e., when at constant entropy? I am not sure why that would be correct, but it would resolve all my problems in my OP!
 
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See Chater 7 of Fundamentals of Engineering Thermodynamics by Moran et al, on Exergy.
 
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Chestermiller said:
See Chater 7 of Fundamentals of Engineering Thermodynamics by Moran et al, on Exergy.
Cheers. I have looked briefly at it, but is my following argument below correct?

##P = P_o ## always at fixed ##P##.
##T## is not always ##T_0## at constant ##T##. Counterexample being ice melting. ##T## is not ##T_o## yet ##T## is constant.

##G=H-TS##
##dG = dU + PdV - TdS## at constant ##T## and ##P##. However, there is a correction term in ##dG##, which is ##(T-To)dS##.

Hence,
$$dG = dU + PdV - TdS + (T-To)dS$$
and substituting ##P = P_0## always,
I get the equation in my textbook,
$$dG = dU + P_0dV-T_0dS$$
 
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What are you trying to prove?
 
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Chestermiller said:
What are you trying to prove?
In the post #1 in the image after "Second question about this:" it has an expression for ##dG## which is $$dG=dU-T_0dS+P_0dV$$ I want to prove that.
 
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laser1 said:
In the post #1 in the image after "Second question about this:" it has an expression for ##dG## which is $$dG=dU-T_0dS+P_0dV$$ I want to prove that.
What is the significance of the word "availability" in your thread title?
 
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Chestermiller said:
What is the significance of the word "availability" in your thread title?
I have attached the definition of it from Blundell and Blundell
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laser1 said:
I have attached the definition of it from Blundell and Blundell
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I'm sorry. I can't help you with this. I totally disagree with the author's approach to teaching this material. I strongly oppose the use of differentials for a system that undergoes an irreversible process. If you want to get a better picture of how A and G change under certain well-specified constraints on T and P, see Chapter 1 of Principles of Chemical Equilibrium by Denbigh.
 
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