Ballentine Equation 5.13 on conservation of momentum

In summary, Ballentine uses geometrical arguments to obtain the initial magnitude of a hydrogen atom's bound electron momentum. equation (5.13) obtains this momentum by multiplying together the components of ##\mathbf{P}_a##, ##\mathbf{P}_b##, and ##\mathbf{P}_o##.
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In Chapter 5.3, Ballentine uses geometrical arguments to obtain the initial magnitude of a hydrogen atom's bound electron momentum. How does equation (5.13) obtain? I tried to naively compute
$$p_e^2 \equiv \textbf{p}_e\cdot \textbf{p}_e = p_a^2+p_b^2+p_o^2 + 2\textbf{p}_a\cdot \textbf{p}_b - 2\textbf{p}_a\cdot \textbf{p}_0 - 2\textbf{p}_0\cdot \textbf{p}_b $$ $$= p_a^2+p_b^2+p_o^2 + 2p_ap_b\cos(\pi - \phi) - 2p_ap_0\cos \theta - 2p_bp_0\cos \theta$$
but then could not go any further. Am I misunderstanding the geometrical relationships of the vectors in Figure 5.1?

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EE18 said:
$$p_e^2 \equiv \textbf{p}_e\cdot \textbf{p}_e = p_a^2+p_b^2+p_o^2 + 2\textbf{p}_a\cdot \textbf{p}_b - 2\textbf{p}_a\cdot \textbf{p}_0 - 2\textbf{p}_0\cdot \textbf{p}_b $$ $$= p_a^2+p_b^2+p_o^2 + 2p_ap_b\cos(\pi - \phi) - 2p_ap_0\cos \theta - 2p_bp_0\cos \theta$$
Am I misunderstanding the geometrical relationships of the vectors in Figure 5.1?
The angle between ##\mathbf{P}_a## and ##\mathbf{P}_b## is not ##\pi - \phi##.

##\mathbf{P}_a## lies in the yellow plane that makes angle ##\phi/2## to the horizontal gray plane. You might try finding expressions for the x, y, and z components of ##\mathbf{P}_a## (shown in blue).

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The angle between ##\mathbf{P}_a## and ##\mathbf{P}_b## is not ##\pi - \phi##.

##\mathbf{P}_a## lies in the yellow plane that makes angle ##\phi/2## to the horizontal gray plane. You might try finding expressions for the x, y, and z components of ##\mathbf{P}_a## (shown in blue).

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Thank you so much for that diagram, it helps me tremendously.

It seems like I have, by symmetry, that ##\textbf{p}_a \cdot \textbf{p}_b = p_{ax}^2 -p_{ay}^2 + p_{az}^2##. It then remains to find these components in terms of the given angles and ##p_a##. Now clearly ##p_{az} = \tan(\phi/2)p_{ay}##, ##p_{az} = p_a \cos \theta##, and ##p_a^2 = p_{ax}^2 +p_{ay}^2 + p_{az}^2## so that at least in theory I have three equations with which I can substitute away ##p_{ax}^2 -p_{ay}^2 + p_{az}^2## in the above in terms of the angles and ##p_a##. However it seems very ugly -- is there a cleaner way to do it or is it necessarily ugly?
 
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EE18 said:
Now clearly ##p_{az} = \tan(\phi/2)p_{ay}##, ##p_{az} = p_a \cos \theta##
I think you meant the second equation to represent ##p_{ax}##.

Consider writing ##\mathbf{p}_a## in unit vector notation $$\mathbf{p}_a =p_{ax} \mathbf{i} +p_{ay} \mathbf{j} +p_{az} \mathbf{k}$$ Each of the components can be expressed in terms of the magnitude ##p_a## and the angles ##\theta## and ##\phi/2##. For example, you know ##p_{ax} = p_a \cos \theta##.

Do the same for ##\mathbf{p}_b##.

For ##\mathbf{p}_o## we have simply ##\mathbf{p}_o = p_0 \mathbf{i}##. Then use equation (5.12) to find the component expression for ##\mathbf{p}_e##.
 
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FAQ: Ballentine Equation 5.13 on conservation of momentum

What is Ballentine Equation 5.13?

Ballentine Equation 5.13 is a specific equation in quantum mechanics that relates to the conservation of momentum. It typically appears in Leslie E. Ballentine's textbook "Quantum Mechanics: A Modern Development" and is used to describe how momentum is conserved in quantum systems.

How is momentum conserved in quantum mechanics according to Ballentine Equation 5.13?

In quantum mechanics, momentum conservation is often described using operators and commutation relations. Ballentine Equation 5.13 shows that the momentum operator commutes with the Hamiltonian of a system if the system is translationally invariant, indicating that momentum is conserved.

Can you explain the significance of commutation relations in Ballentine Equation 5.13?

Commutation relations are crucial in quantum mechanics as they determine the behavior of observables. In the context of Ballentine Equation 5.13, the commutation relation between the momentum operator and the Hamiltonian indicates whether momentum is a conserved quantity in the system.

How does Ballentine Equation 5.13 relate to Noether's theorem?

Noether's theorem states that every continuous symmetry corresponds to a conserved quantity. Ballentine Equation 5.13 is an application of this theorem, where the continuous symmetry is translational invariance and the conserved quantity is momentum.

What are the practical applications of understanding Ballentine Equation 5.13?

Understanding Ballentine Equation 5.13 is essential for solving problems in quantum mechanics that involve momentum conservation. It is particularly useful in fields like particle physics, quantum field theory, and any domain where quantum mechanical systems are analyzed for their momentum properties.

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