Basic infinitesmal doubt: Can there be a negative infinitesmal?

In summary, the concept of a negative infinitesimal raises questions about the nature of infinitesimals within mathematical frameworks. While traditional calculus uses infinitesimals as quantities that are greater than zero but less than any positive real number, the introduction of negative infinitesimals suggests a need for a broader understanding. It challenges existing definitions and requires careful consideration of how these values interact with established mathematical principles, particularly in non-standard analysis.
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Can there be a negative infinitesmal?
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What I mean is on a coordinate plane like below we take the positive x axis measure a certain distance x on it and take the infinitesmally small quantity dx next to it in the positive direction:

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Now can I do the opposite as in can I measure a distance negative x on the negative x axis and take an infinitesmal quantity?:
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I ask so because in things like mechanics to find out the equilibrium condition of a particle
If :
Df/dx=infinitesmally small change in Force < 0, the particle is in stable equilibrium
Ive gotten an expression of force which is a function of x. But I have ofcourse used some sign conventions for the force too since there were multiple therefore if my dx is negative I think ill get a different answer compared to if it was positive . Mainly I do not know how to incorporate a negative dx in calculus do I just use normally And take it to the numerator?
 
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Yes, there are often negative infinitesimals in mathematics. Don't be fooled by the common usage. The most common use of infinitesimals is as a positive ##\epsilon \gt 0## that is compared to an absolute value like ##|x-x_0| \lt \epsilon##. In that case, ##\epsilon## is positive because it is being compared to an absolute value. But the ##x-x_0## inside the absolute value could be positive or negative. Although ##\epsilon## is usually stated to be positive, there are other uses of ##-\epsilon## or ##\pm \epsilon##. Those are also infinitesimals.
 
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Yes, there are often negative infinitesimals in mathematics. Don't be fooled by the common usage. The most common use of infinitesimals is as a positive ##\epsilon \gt 0## that is compared to an absolute value like ##|x-x_0| \lt \epsilon##. In that case, ##\epsilon## is positive because it is being compared to an absolute value. But the ##x-x_0## inside the absolute value could be positive of negative. Although ##\epsilon## is usually stated to be positive, there are other uses of ##-\epsilon## or ##\pm \epsilon##. Those are also infinitesimals.
Sorry whats epsilon representing here?
 
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Of course, if ##\varepsilon## is a positive infinitesimal, then ##-\varepsilon## is a negative infinitesimal.
 
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tellmesomething said:
Sorry whats epsilon representing here?
A positive real number, usually one that is close to zero.
 
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Mark44 said:
A positive real number, usually one that is close to zero.
I see makes sense. Thankyou
 
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Well, the Hyperreals are a field. Then every element, including infinitesimals, must have an additive inverse. EDIT: That means pure Infinitesimals, i.e., those with Real part =0, must have an additive inverse.
 
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If you have one equation with ##dx## and ##y=-x##, then it is often stated that ##\frac {dy}{dx} = -1## and the substitution of ##-dy## for ##dx## is made. If ##dx## is positive, then ##dy## is negative.
 

FAQ: Basic infinitesmal doubt: Can there be a negative infinitesmal?

1. What is an infinitesimal?

An infinitesimal is a quantity that is closer to zero than any standard real number, yet is not zero itself. It is often used in calculus to describe values that are extremely small, allowing for the analysis of continuous change and the concept of limits.

2. Can an infinitesimal be negative?

Yes, infinitesimals can be negative. Just like real numbers, infinitesimals can exist on both sides of the number line. A negative infinitesimal is a value that is infinitesimally close to zero but is less than zero.

3. How do negative infinitesimals fit into calculus?

In calculus, negative infinitesimals can be used in the same way as positive infinitesimals to analyze limits, derivatives, and integrals. They help in understanding the behavior of functions as they approach zero from the negative side, contributing to the rigorous framework of calculus.

4. What are the implications of using negative infinitesimals in mathematics?

The use of negative infinitesimals allows for a more comprehensive understanding of mathematical concepts, especially in non-standard analysis. It enables mathematicians to explore properties of functions and continuity in a more nuanced way, accommodating scenarios where values approach zero from both directions.

5. Are negative infinitesimals accepted in standard mathematics?

Negative infinitesimals are accepted in certain frameworks of mathematics, particularly in non-standard analysis. However, in traditional calculus and real analysis, infinitesimals are not typically used; instead, limits and epsilon-delta definitions are employed to handle values approaching zero.

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