Becoming an engineer with a Physics degree

[cmerickson21]

I want to become an engineer but I am also interested in playing football at a small NAIA school that does not offer a degree in any kind of engineering but they do offer a degree in Physics. I was wondering how difficult is it to become an engineer with a degree in physics or if it is even difficult at all. Also if I could get a degree in physics can I then go on to get a masters in engineering?

 

[WarPhalange]

Going to be tough, especially coming from a small school. How good is their physics program? Do you have a course catalog online or something that lists the available classes?

You might have to go to graduate school to get a Master's in whatever engineering field you want before you can become an engineer.

The reason I say this is because employers won't really want to hire you if all you know is physics from a small school. But a graduate school won't be as reluctant to take you on. You will however have to make up for it a bit with undergrad classes at the new school.

 

[cmerickson21]

I do not know how good their program is here is the degree requirements
http://www.snu.edu/physics-major
and here is the catalog
http://my.snu.edu/catalog/catalog.asp

 

[WarPhalange]

Are you on the semester system or quarter system?

 

[paddo]

Similar situation here.
I've nearly finished the science part of engineering/science. After this year I have 2 years to go. I am sick to death of uni and would rather leave after this year and apply for a job as a mechanical engineer. Do you reckon this'll work? My science majors are maths and physics (I like them but don't like uni).
Cheers.

 

[WarPhalange]

It wouldn't hurt to apply, and then if you get accepted you just drop out? Would that work?

 

[TMFKAN64]

How hard do you think it would be to be a doctor with a degree in music?

OK, physics and engineering are more related than that, and I'm sure that *somewhere* there is an M.D. with a music degree... but if you want to be a physicist study physics, and if you want to be an engineer, study engineering. You'll be doing yourself a favor in the long run.

 

[Mihael]

A same thought here as well, but I went in different path.
I have taken engineering degree, however my dream is to become a physicist. And, I was planning to do master of physics in the future. Because I want to work in engineering field as a physicist status.

 

[leumas614]

A medical doctor with a degree in music? I don't see why that should be hard. The only science you need to know before med school are the standard pre-med requirements.

 

[TMFKAN64]

Feel free to choose a better analogy.

It's one thing to get a degree in one field and then realize you wish you were in another field. But it flat-out makes no sense to *plan* on doing this.

Although on second thought, I should go back to the original post. If you're getting a football scholarship so you are getting a free degree... OK, I can see trying to make that work.

 

[Howers]

Actually, I myself would be interested in knowing if one with a physics bachelors can be declared an "engineer" after completing an advanced degree, ie. masters, in said engineer field.

 

[Future-boy]

I have a question.
Is physics a no-no if you are not so good at explaining things ?

Or can/must you learn it while at university?

I am insecure.

 

[atyy]

I have a question.
Is physics a no-no if you are not so good at explaining things ?

Or can/must you learn it while at university?

I am insecure.

No, physics is very easy and anyone can learn it (at least at the undergraduate level; it will often take you a week to solve a homework problem, but that's the same for 99.9% of physics majors) - as long as you are interested in it and curious about the questions it asks, and you have teachers who love the subject and care about their students (the teachers are not so important, but it helps). Anyway, most football players solve in practice problems that would be much too hard to put on exams. So this should not be an obstacle.

As for going from physics to engineering, I have no idea. One possibly useful resource is "Landing Your First Job: A Guide for Physics Students" by John Rigden. It's published by the American Institute of Physics, and the physics department or career office at your school might have a copy.

 

[atyy]

I do not know how good their program is here is the degree requirements
http://www.snu.edu/physics-major
and here is the catalog
http://my.snu.edu/catalog/catalog.asp

Hmm, seems you can take engineering classes at Oklahoma Christian University nearby:
https://my.snu.edu/catalog/catalogext.asp?PageID=509&CatalogYear=2008

 

[cmerickson21]

Hmm, seems you can take engineering classes at Oklahoma Christian University nearby:
https://my.snu.edu/catalog/catalogext.asp?PageID=509&CatalogYear=2008

I never noticed that before. Thank you for that. That makes this decision a lot easier.

 

[ks_physicist]

In my state, you CAN NOT take the FE/EIT exam unless you have a BACHELOR'S in engineering. If you have a bachelor's in physics, a master's and a Ph.D. in Engineering, and teach engineering coursework at a university--you STILL can not take the FE, and therefore can NEVER become a licensed engineer. You (with your Ph.D. in engineering) would HAVE to complete an undergraduate degree in engineering first.

This was explained at great length by a high-ranking, long-term member of the state professional engineering board during a visit to my university several years ago.

Now, if you want to work for a company as an engineer, but they don't require you to be EIT or to pursue a PE license, then you can do that. But those jobs seem to be less common than they supposedly were a decade or two ago.

 

[Future-boy]

This is bad :(

I wanted to study bachelors in physics and then go to biomedical engineering (with focus on nano-robotics and molecular engineering)

 

[Integral]

Industry does not really much care. If you have a degree and are able to sell your skills you can get an engineering job with a Physics degree. Simply not a problem. I work with several "engineers" with physics degrees, it is not uncommon.

There are a lot of jobs in industry which require a "technical" degree people holding these jobs are called engineers, whether they have a engineering degree or a history degree. To get one all you have to do is convince the hiring manager that you can do the job.

 

[Vanadium 50]

I wanted to study bachelors in physics and then go to biomedical engineering (with focus on nano-robotics and molecular engineering)

This is not a problem for you, since you will not need a PE. Why not? Because there are no nano-robots. The same argument can be made for antigravity, starships and time machines.

 

[Future-boy]

There aren't nanobots yet.

But they are working on it.

 

[ks_physicist]

Industry does not really much care. If you have a degree and are able to sell your skills you can get an engineering job with a Physics degree. Simply not a problem. I work with several "engineers" with physics degrees, it is not uncommon.

There are a lot of jobs in industry which require a "technical" degree people holding these jobs are called engineers, whether they have a engineering degree or a history degree. To get one all you have to do is convince the hiring manager that you can do the job.

Recent experience (past 8 years or so) of five graduate students, including myself, is that the physics degree will not get your application past HR in many/most employers (e.g., Boeing).

If your professors don't have contacts in the company, and you don't have some sort of network connection into a hiring manager, then they will never even see your information. You can't sell your skills to HR (they cull based on qualifications, not abilities), and you won't ever get to talk to someone who would care about your skills.

As far as we were able to tell, it appears that the days of hiring physicists into engineering positions in industry, at least around here (midwest), largely ended between 1985 and 1995. We based this on the physics degree holders who were working in engineering positions in companies where HR would now not review applications if you did not have an ABET accredited Bachelor's in Engineering. When we found them, they were hired in the 1980s or earlier.

Contacts might make the difference, but if you're applying through HR you are tilting at windmills. Look for employers and jobs (e.g. Lockheed Martin) where they advertise some engineering positions with physics (and math, and sometimes other) degrees listed along side engineering degrees in the qualifications.

 

[aliaze1]

I want to become an engineer but I am also interested in playing football at a small NAIA school that does not offer a degree in any kind of engineering but they do offer a degree in Physics. I was wondering how difficult is it to become an engineer with a degree in physics or if it is even difficult at all. Also if I could get a degree in physics can I then go on to get a masters in engineering?

You would have to get a Master's degree or PhD in whatever engineering discipline you want to go into. It's been done, I know many people who have done it:

Professor at my school:
BS in Physics
MS Nuclear Engineering
PhD Nuclear Engineering
Doctor of Medicine (MD)

Another professor:
BA Physics
SB General Science
SM Nuclear Engineering
Sc.D Nuclear Engineering

Another professor
BS Physics
MS Physics
PhD Materials Science

A few T.A.'s at my school

1st one - BS in Physics, working on MS in Electrical Engineering
2nd one - BS in Physics, MS in Physics, working in PhD in Nuclear Engineering
3rd one - BS in Physics and Math (double major), MS in Nuclear Engineering, working on PhD

At the engineering firm I worked at over the past summer, I saw the following:

BS in Physics, BS in Civil Engineering, MS in Structural Engineering
BA in Physics, BS in Civil Engineering, MS in Structural Engineering
BS in Physics, MS in Electrical Engineering


So it can be done, as has been by these people.

 

[aliaze1]

In my state, you CAN NOT take the FE/EIT exam unless you have a BACHELOR'S in engineering. If you have a bachelor's in physics, a master's and a Ph.D. in Engineering, and teach engineering coursework at a university--you STILL can not take the FE, and therefore can NEVER become a licensed engineer. You (with your Ph.D. in engineering) would HAVE to complete an undergraduate degree in engineering first.

This was explained at great length by a high-ranking, long-term member of the state professional engineering board during a visit to my university several years ago.

Now, if you want to work for a company as an engineer, but they don't require you to be EIT or to pursue a PE license, then you can do that. But those jobs seem to be less common than they supposedly were a decade or two ago.

I do no think that is the case in every state, then again interested people should check up on it

 

[Future-boy]

@aliaze1:
Well, Nuclear Engineering is an more or less interdisciplinary field.

And medicine is not engineering , and materiel science! is more science-sided.This is something else than let's say mechanical engineering or mechatronics.

 

[byronbg]

I am a chemical engineer graduate. It is not likely that a physicist be employed as an engineer. You wil have do pursue the undergraduate degree to attain a professional engineer status. The degree is vital. The postgraduate degrees are less intense. Engineering in 1st year consists of mainly science subjects math, applied math, chem, physics, computers. You should get credits for that. But 2nd,3rd,4th year engineering is completely focused on engineering sciences (for eg. In chem eng) major subjects are thermodynamics, mass and energy balances, heat/mass transfer, reactor tech, controls, plant modelling and design. But i encourage you to go for it. Its pays well and job opportunities are endless.

 

[byronbg]

The same goes for an engineer becoming a physicist. I wana do postgrad in physics with a chem eng degree. But in undergrad we only did 1st year physics. So over the next 2 yrs I am doing 2nd/3rd courses mechanics/waves/quantum/nuclear physics. Only then can i do an honours in physics. Can anyone please tell the importance of taking applied math/math in 3rd year.

 

[Null_]

I personally know someone who has a PhD in physics but who's job title is an engineer. He's in charge of hiring, and claims that he'd rather hire physics students for they can think through problems better. However, I'm sure that's not the case everywhere, and even though he's a close friend, I'm an aspiring engineer going to school for engineering.

Yes, it's possible. It's probably your best bet, especially if your schooling is paid for. My university now says that one would have to take a few engineering specific classes before entering grad school if one's major is not engineering, but they get many each year..i.e. chemistry undergrad to chemE grad school.

 

[Astronuc]

I recently met a physics (BS) major who went on to a graduate degree in nuclear engineering. I also know a nuclear engineer (PhD) who did most of his coursework in math and physics. He'd be more inclined to hire a physics major than an engineering major based on the expectation that the physicist has the mathematical ability.

I see a greater demand in the near term for the development of advanced methods in engineering, and those with a physics (or engineering physics) background, particularly those with proficiency in programming and computational physics will find more opportunities.

 

[squall211]

If you do physics, doing an engineering trade that requires a license (like Mech) is out.

Electrical / computer work is more likely. I know someone with a physics degree who is a hardware engineer (designing electronics etc.)

Many sell themselves as programmers. Many also end up doing controls engineering since it is very mathematical.

 

[CheckMate]

Like others said...

If you want to WORK in Industry as an engineer you NEED to achieve the status of a "professional engineer" (engineer licensed within to offer professional services to the public).

And to achieve a PE license you need to have a degree in engineering.

However, if you want to do research you may not need to...

By the way, I don't think you need a PE in the software industry.

 

[Shaun_W]

If you can't become an engineer in America without an engineering degree then you could easily move here to find work as an engineer, since you do not need an engineering degree to become an engineer here - in fact I've seen people with all sorts of degrees on the engineering graduate schemes.

 

[Phyisab****]

Like others said...

If you want to WORK in Industry as an engineer you NEED to achieve the status of a "professional engineer" (engineer licensed within to offer professional services to the public).

And to achieve a PE license you need to have a degree in engineering.

However, if you want to do research you may not need to...

By the way, I don't think you need a PE in the software industry.

Your use of caps to underscore the absoluteness of your statement is unnecessary and incorrect. You do not NEED to be a PE to get many engineering jobs. How is it that I just got a job as a manufacturing measurements engineer with a BS in physics?

Also, you don't think you need to be a PE in the software industry? Why would you? Of course you don't.

 

[Ben Espen]

Like others said...

If you want to WORK in Industry as an engineer you NEED to achieve the status of a "professional engineer" (engineer licensed within to offer professional services to the public).

And to achieve a PE license you need to have a degree in engineering.

However, if you want to do research you may not need to...

By the way, I don't think you need a PE in the software industry.

This is incorrect. For some positions a PE may be a requirement, but not in general. The purpose of a PE registration is to regulate who may market themselves to the public as an engineer. The details of what that means vary from place to place. My business card says "Process Engineer". I do not have a PE. I do have a BS in Physics. This is fine in Arizona where I live and work. In some places you cannot do this. In many of those places, you can do the work, you just call yourself something else.

 

[josh_einsle]

This is incorrect. For some positions a PE may be a requirement, but not in general. The purpose of a PE registration is to regulate who may market themselves to the public as an engineer. The details of what that means vary from place to place. My business card says "Process Engineer". I do not have a PE. I do have a BS in Physics. This is fine in Arizona where I live and work. In some places you cannot do this. In many of those places, you can do the work, you just call yourself something else.

agree with ben above. I have worked as a process and applications engineer for the last 10 years. In fact the majority of the people at the company i just left do not have engineering degrees, but all have the title engineer.

physics provides a great basis for doing engineering, especially in the high tech sector where the line between engineering and physics becomes more blurred.