Bernoulli equation in a closed loop system

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between pressure and friction in a water pump system. The question asks if the pressure difference between P1 and P2, along with the friction, equals the pump head. The conversation also clarifies the placement of P1 and P2 and mentions two Bernoulli equations that apply to the system. The conversation ends with gratitude for the help provided.
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Homework Statement
Bernoulli equation in closed loop system
Relevant Equations
H=p/ρg+V2/2g+z2-p/ρg+V2/2g+z1=hs-hf
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P1 = 5psi P2= 15psi , Z2-Z1 = 0, i assume V2 =V1 because velocity of water is the same everywhere in a pipe of constant diameter
is H friction = H pump = 10psi ?
Please help
 

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Correct. Is that really your question?
 
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how come?
(p2- p1) +H friction = Hp
(15psi-5psi) +10psi = 10psi ?
 
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icham said:
how come?
(p2- p1) +H friction = Hp
(15psi-5psi) +10psi = 10psi ?
The thing is in a loop, so if points 1 and 2 are right next to one another, say in the inlet pipe to the pump, P1 = P2
 
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Chestermiller said:
The thing is in a loop, so if points 1 and 2 are right next to one another, say in the inlet pipe to the pump, P1 = P2

but gauges show 15psi and 5psi and it should be a differential pressure for pump to work
 
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icham said:
but gauges show 15psi and 5psi and it should be a differential pressure for pump to work
Please specify where you are placing points 1 and 2.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Please specify where you are placing points 1 and 2.

as showns on the circuit, P1 is just after the expansion tank and P2 is after pump let say 10 feet or like half way between pump and the resistance
 
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icham said:
as showns on the circuit, P1 is just after the expansion tank and P2 is after pump let say 10 feet or like half way between pump and the resistance
OK. Then there are two Bernoulli equations that you can write: $$\frac{P_2-P_1}{\rho g}=\Delta H_{pump}$$That applies across the top; and $$\frac{P_2-P_1}{\rho g}=\Delta H_{friction}$$That applies across the bottom.
 
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Chestermiller said:
OK. Then there are two Bernoulli equations that you can write: $$\frac{P_2-P_1}{\rho g}=\Delta H_{pump}$$That applies across the top; and $$\frac{P_2-P_1}{\rho g}=\Delta H_{friction}$$That applies across the bottom.

Thank you very much ! you've made my day
 
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FAQ: Bernoulli equation in a closed loop system

1. What is the Bernoulli equation in a closed loop system?

The Bernoulli equation in a closed loop system is a mathematical equation that relates the pressure, velocity, and elevation of a fluid along a closed loop or path. It states that the sum of the kinetic energy, potential energy, and pressure energy at any two points along the loop must be equal.

2. How is the Bernoulli equation applied in closed loop systems?

The Bernoulli equation can be applied in closed loop systems, such as pipelines or circulation systems, to calculate the change in flow rate, pressure, or elevation at different points along the loop. It is often used to analyze and design fluid flow systems, as well as to troubleshoot any issues that may arise.

3. What are the assumptions made in the Bernoulli equation for closed loop systems?

The Bernoulli equation assumes that the fluid is incompressible, the flow is steady, and there is no energy loss due to friction or other factors. It also assumes that the flow is irrotational, meaning that the fluid particles do not rotate as they move along the loop.

4. What are the limitations of the Bernoulli equation in closed loop systems?

The Bernoulli equation is limited in its application to closed loop systems because it does not take into account factors such as viscosity, turbulence, and compressibility of the fluid. It also assumes that the flow is one-dimensional, which may not always be the case in real-life situations.

5. Can the Bernoulli equation be used to analyze any type of fluid flow in closed loop systems?

No, the Bernoulli equation is only applicable to ideal fluid flow in closed loop systems. It cannot be used to analyze more complex fluid flow situations, such as when the fluid is compressible or when there are significant energy losses due to friction. In these cases, more advanced equations, such as the Navier-Stokes equations, must be used.

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