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Metatron
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This whole model is based on a fossil artifact.
Monique said:How do you go from an energetic "stepping stone" to needing a circulatory system.
And what is that artifact you are talking about.
You're saying jellyfish and worms don't have complex cellular networks? How are you definining a cellular "network"?Metatron said:The simple animals before the Cambrian such as a jellyfish and worms did not have the genetic diversity to form complex cellular networks and formed around differing dynamics.
The jellyfish for instance relates to the environment in cycles that move up and down with the sun, and still posses a symbiosis with the photosynthetic cells.
Then how does a human being grow from a zygote. There are a number of genetic mechanisms known that causes a multicellular organism to grow in such amazing symmetry. You can have a very simple mechanism of two interacting molecules and grow a complex pattern from that.The individual eukaryote cannot build these structures. They do not carry within themselves a blue print for an overall structure.
Monique said:I think I get you now. You are saying that life had no organizing ability when it evolved, so it relied on the environment to shape it.
You are saying that there are flow currents that direct an organism to 'crystallize' in a certain way.
Do you know Jean-Baptiste Lamarck? He hypothesized that acquired traits can be inherited, this Lamarckian inheritance is in conflict with the findings of genetics and has now been largely abandoned.
Take the example of giraffes. Giraffes have long necks, how do they get those. Does the tree shape the giraffe's neck and does the giraffe then pass down that information to further generations, or does the giraffe successively grow longer necks because it has a survival advantage when it can reach higher.
Environmental information can not be coded into genes, the genes adapt themselves to environmental information.
Have you ever read any books on genetics and development? I don't think so. You say: Then how does a human being grow from a zygote. There are a number of genetic mechanisms known that causes a multicellular organism to grow in such amazing symmetry. You can have a very simple mechanism of two interacting molecules and grow a complex pattern from that.
There are a number of genetic mechanisms known that causes a multicellular organism to grow in such amazing symmetry. You can have a very simple mechanism of two interacting molecules and grow a complex pattern from that.[/QUOTE said:This symmetry Is a pre-existing structure in the universe. This is what the model is showing that complex heart based body plans, not only form from an attractor{source of symmetry} but are still sustained by this embeded wave pattern [refer to post 9\10]
This is why DNA is shaped the way it is. Its an efficient way for energy, or information, to flow.
"Such an object is stable, and so can be recognized, only when the corresponding attractor is structurally stable." ... Rene Thom, [Post 19]