Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind

In summary, Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind, also known as mixed boundary conditions, are a type of boundary condition where both the value of a function and its derivative are specified at a boundary point. They are commonly used in physical systems where both the value of a function and its derivative are known, and are represented mathematically as a combination of Dirichlet and Neumann boundary conditions. These boundary conditions are important in solving differential equations and can provide more accurate solutions and stability analysis, but may also add complexity and have limitations in real-world scenarios.
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\begin{align}
\varphi''+\lambda\varphi &= 0, & \quad 0< x < L\\
\varphi'(0) &= 0 &\\
\varphi'(L)+h\varphi(L) &=0, & \quad h\in\mathbb{R}
\end{align}
$$
\varphi = A\cos x\sqrt{\lambda} + B\frac{\sin x\sqrt{\lambda}}{\sqrt{\lambda}}
$$
Since $\varphi'(0) = 0$, $\varphi = A\cos x\sqrt{\lambda}$. Then
$$
-\sqrt{\lambda}\sin L\sqrt{\lambda}+h\cos L\sqrt{\lambda} = 0 \Leftrightarrow \sqrt{\lambda}\tan L\sqrt{\lambda} = h
$$
Multiplying be $L$.
$$
L\sqrt{\lambda}\tan L\sqrt{\lambda} = Lh
$$
Let $L\sqrt{\lambda} = s$. Then $s\tan s = Lh$. By definition, $\tan (-s) = -\tan s$ and $\lambda = \left(\dfrac{s}{L}\right)^2 = \left(\dfrac{-s}{L}\right)^2$.
\begin{align}
y_1 &= \tan s, & \quad 0\leq s <\infty\\
y_2 &= \frac{Lh}{s}, & \quad 0\leq s <\infty
\end{align}

Why does $Lh = \dfrac{\pi}{2}\mbox{?}$
 
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dwsmith said:
\begin{align}
\varphi''+\lambda\varphi &= 0, & \quad 0< x < L\\
\varphi'(0) &= 0 &\\
\varphi'(L)+h\varphi(L) &=0, & \quad h\in\mathbb{R}
\end{align}
$$
\varphi = A\cos x\sqrt{\lambda} + B\frac{\sin x\sqrt{\lambda}}{\sqrt{\lambda}}
$$
Since $\varphi'(0) = 0$, $\varphi = A\cos x\sqrt{\lambda}$. Then
$$
-\sqrt{\lambda}\sin L\sqrt{\lambda}+h\cos L\sqrt{\lambda} = 0 \Leftrightarrow \sqrt{\lambda}\tan L\sqrt{\lambda} = h
$$
Multiplying be $L$.
$$
L\sqrt{\lambda}\tan L\sqrt{\lambda} = Lh
$$
Let $L\sqrt{\lambda} = s$. Then $s\tan s = Lh$. By definition, $\tan (-s) = -\tan s$ and $\lambda = \left(\dfrac{s}{L}\right)^2 = \left(\dfrac{-s}{L}\right)^2$.
\begin{align}
y_1 &= \tan s, & \quad 0\leq s <\infty\\
y_2 &= \frac{Lh}{s}, & \quad 0\leq s <\infty
\end{align}

Why does $Lh = \dfrac{\pi}{2}\mbox{?}$

I don't think it does. From this plot, you can see that the solutions are going to get closer and closer to integer multiples of $\pi$, not $\pi/2$.
 

FAQ: Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind

What are Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind?

Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind, also known as mixed boundary conditions, refer to a type of boundary condition in which both the value of a function and its derivative are specified at a boundary point. This is in contrast to other types of boundary conditions, such as Dirichlet and Neumann, where only one of these is specified.

When are Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind used?

Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind are commonly used in physical systems where both the value of a function and its derivative are known, such as in heat transfer problems involving both temperature and heat flux at a boundary.

How are Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind represented mathematically?

In mathematical notation, Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind are typically written as a combination of Dirichlet and Neumann boundary conditions, where the function and its derivative are both specified at a boundary point. This can be written as u(a) = α and u'(a) = β, where u represents the function, a is the boundary point, and α and β are constants.

What is the significance of Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind?

Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind are important in solving differential equations, as they provide more information about the behavior of the function at a boundary. This helps to obtain more accurate solutions and determine the stability of a system.

Are there any limitations to using Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind?

While Boundary Conditions of the Third Kind can provide more information and improve the accuracy of solutions, they can also make the mathematical analysis more complex. In some cases, these types of boundary conditions may not be physically relevant or may be difficult to interpret in real-world scenarios.

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