Bra Ket is equivalent to inner product always?

In summary, Dirac introduced the ket in order to not only deal with discrete but continuous variables like coordinates and momentum. However, this makes ket get out of the genuine Hilbert space.
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We denote a scalar product of two vectors ##a, b## in Hilbert space ##H## as $(a,b)$.

In Bra Ket notation, we denote a vector a in Hilbert space as ##|a\rangle##. Also we say that bras belong to the dual space ##H##∗ .

So Bras are linear transformations that map kets to a number.

Then it isn't always true that ##\langle a \mid b\rangle=(a,b)##

In quantum mechanics do we define bra in such a way so as that the above equality holds? Are there cases when the above equation is not true?
 
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I agree with what you said. I would just add when Dirac introduced ket, it is for not only discrete but continuous variables, e.g. coordinate, momentum. That makes ket get out of genuine Hilbert space.
 
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Kashmir said:
We denote a scalar product of two vectors ##a, b## in Hilbert space ##H## as $(a,b)$.

In Bra Ket notation, we denote a vector a in Hilbert space as ##|a\rangle##. Also we say that bras belong to the dual space ##H##∗ .

So Bras are linear transformations that map kets to a number.

Then it isn't always true that ##\langle a \mid b\rangle=(a,b)##

In quantum mechanics do we define bra in such a way so as that the above equality holds? Are there cases when the above equation is not true?
A Hilbert space, by definition, has a complete inner product defined on it; the kets are then defined in terms of that inner product.

For some mathematical justification of how we know this all makes sense, you may be interested in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riesz_representation_theorem
 
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PeroK said:
A Hilbert space, by definition, has a complete inner product defined on it; the kets are then defined in terms of that inner product.

For some mathematical justification of how we know this all makes sense, you may be interested in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riesz_representation_theorem
You mean the Bra transformation is defined such that <a|b>=(a, b) ?
 
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Kashmir said:
You mean the Bra transformation is defined such that <a|b>=(a, b) ?
Yes.
 
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Kashmir said:
We denote a scalar product of two vectors ##a, b## in Hilbert space ##H## as $(a,b)$.

In Bra Ket notation, we denote a vector a in Hilbert space as ##|a\rangle##. Also we say that bras belong to the dual space ##H##∗ .

So Bras are linear transformations that map kets to a number.

Then it isn't always true that ##\langle a \mid b\rangle=(a,b)##

In quantum mechanics do we define bra in such a way so as that the above equality holds? Are there cases when the above equation is not true?
It's a bit more subtle as soon as it comes to real-world systems, where you have a true infinitely dimensional (but separable) Hilbert space. The minimal true QT model for me still is not the toy models like a finite set of spins leading to finite-dimensional Hilbert spaces but the realization of the Heisenberg algebra, generated in the usual way by position and momentum operators for at least one particle in 1D space. These operators then are "densely defined" on a Hilbert space, conveniently realized on the Hilbert space of square Lebesgue-integrable functions, i.e., their domain and codomain as self-adjoint operators is a proper but dense subspace of ##H=\mathrm{L}^2(\mathbb{R})## (e.g., the Schwartz space of quickly falling functions), the "nuclear space" ##D \subset H##. Then the bras denoting "generalized eigenvectors" of the or position or momentum operator belong to the dual of this sub-space ##D^* \supset H^*=H##. Formalizing this "hand-waving-physicists formulation" leads to the G'elfand (aka rigged Hilbert space) formalism. In this formalism an expression like ##\langle x|x' \rangle=\delta(x-x')## or
$$\int_{\mathbb{R}} |x \rangle \langle s|=\hat{1}$$
becomes formally correct. In fact formalizing these intuitive ideas by Dirac lead to the development of Functional Analysis as a new subject in pure math.
 
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PeroK said:
Yes.
Thank you.
 
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vanhees71 said:
It's a bit more subtle as soon as it comes to real-world systems, where you have a true infinitely dimensional (but separable) Hilbert space. The minimal true QT model for me still is not the toy models like a finite set of spins leading to finite-dimensional Hilbert spaces but the realization of the Heisenberg algebra, generated in the usual way by position and momentum operators for at least one particle in 1D space. These operators then are "densely defined" on a Hilbert space, conveniently realized on the Hilbert space of square Lebesgue-integrable functions, i.e., their domain and codomain as self-adjoint operators is a proper but dense subspace of ##H=\mathrm{L}^2(\mathbb{R})## (e.g., the Schwartz space of quickly falling functions), the "nuclear space" ##D \subset H##. Then the bras denoting "generalized eigenvectors" of the or position or momentum operator belong to the dual of this sub-space ##D^* \supset H^*=H##. Formalizing this "hand-waving-physicists formulation" leads to the G'elfand (aka rigged Hilbert space) formalism. In this formalism an expression like ##\langle x|x' \rangle=\delta(x-x')## or
$$\int_{\mathbb{R}} |x \rangle \langle s|=\hat{1}$$
becomes formally correct. In fact formalizing these intuitive ideas by Dirac lead to the development of Functional Analysis as a new subject in pure math.
Thankyou but i don't have the maturity enough right now to understand it. Hopefully I'll come back here in future. Thank you Mr Vanhees :)
 

FAQ: Bra Ket is equivalent to inner product always?

What is the concept of "Bra Ket" in quantum mechanics?

The term "Bra Ket" is a mathematical notation used in quantum mechanics to represent the inner product between two quantum states. It combines the words "bra" and "ket", which represent the bra vector and ket vector respectively.

How is "Bra Ket" related to the concept of inner product?

In quantum mechanics, the bra vector and ket vector are used to represent the initial and final states of a quantum system. The inner product of these two vectors gives the probability amplitude for the system to transition from the initial state to the final state, making "Bra Ket" equivalent to the inner product.

Why is "Bra Ket" always equivalent to inner product?

In quantum mechanics, the inner product is a fundamental concept that is used to calculate the probability amplitudes of various quantum states. Since the bra vector and ket vector are used to represent these states, the combination of the two, known as "Bra Ket", is always equivalent to the inner product.

Can "Bra Ket" be used for any quantum system?

Yes, "Bra Ket" can be used for any quantum system, as long as the system can be represented by quantum states. The concept of "Bra Ket" and inner product is applicable to all quantum systems, regardless of their complexity.

How is "Bra Ket" notation used in quantum mechanical calculations?

In quantum mechanics, the "Bra Ket" notation is used to represent the inner product between two quantum states. This notation is used in various calculations, such as calculating transition probabilities and expectation values, making it an essential tool in quantum mechanical calculations.

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