Calculating Fire Distance with Friction and Mass

In summary, the conversation discusses how to approximate the distance needed to move two sticks to start a fire at room temperature. The equation W = mc(flashpoint - room temp) is mentioned, but there is uncertainty about which mass to use due to the heat not spreading immediately. The relationship between force of friction and applied force is also mentioned. It is suggested to use the total mass of the wood and make simplifying assumptions. The speaker plans to conduct an experiment and gather data to verify their theoretical calculations.
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How can one approximate the distance that one would have to move two sticks in order to start a fire at room temperature. With a given coefficient of friction and mass for the wood as well as the amount of force that someone can apply to the wood and the flashpoint of the wood.

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W = mc(flashpoint - room temp)
(not sure what mass to use because heat will not spread out over the full mass of both sticks immediately...)

Force of friction = Force applied x coefficient of friction -->
W = Force applied x coefficient of friction x displacement

therefore:
Force applied x coefficient of friction x displacement = mc(flashpoint - room temp)

So can I find displacement required like that?
 
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You have the right idea. I would use total mass of the wood and assume the heat spreads through them immediately, even though it wouldn't. Sometimes, a scientist's best skill is being able to make simplifying assumptions.:smile:

Anyway, I agree with how you are going about this. What do you get as an answer?
 
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Well if that sounds sane to someone else then I am going to try this for a paper on a topic of my choice, so I will get some of my data tomorrow (like masses and coefficient of kinetic friction by experimentation tomorrow and will look up specific heat and flash point and pick a convenient applied force) then I'll calculate a theoretical displacement and then try the experiment and see if its reasonably close, so I'll post some data then for verification.
 
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Never mind, I changed my topic...too many problems.
 

FAQ: Calculating Fire Distance with Friction and Mass

How does friction affect the distance of a fire?

Friction plays a significant role in determining the distance of a fire. The amount of friction between the fire and its surroundings can either help the fire spread or hinder its movement. In general, the higher the friction, the shorter the distance the fire will travel.

What is the relationship between mass and fire distance?

The mass of a fire can greatly impact the distance it can travel. A larger fire with more mass will have a greater amount of energy, which can help it overcome obstacles and travel further. However, a smaller fire with less mass may not have enough energy to travel a significant distance.

How do you calculate the distance of a fire using friction and mass?

To calculate the distance of a fire, you will need to consider the amount of friction between the fire and its surroundings and the mass of the fire. Using mathematical equations and physical principles, you can determine the potential distance a fire can travel based on these factors.

What other factors besides friction and mass can affect fire distance?

In addition to friction and mass, other factors that can impact the distance of a fire include wind speed and direction, topography of the surrounding area, and the type of fuel the fire is burning. These factors can either assist or hinder the fire's movement.

Why is it important to calculate the distance of a fire?

Calculating the distance of a fire can provide valuable information for firefighters and other emergency responders. By knowing the potential distance a fire can travel, they can better assess the situation and develop a more effective plan of action to contain and extinguish the fire. It can also help prevent the fire from spreading to other areas and causing more damage.

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