Calculating MGF: Solutions for Undefined Limit Issue

  • MHB
  • Thread starter Usagi
  • Start date
In summary, the limit of the function $E\{e^{x\ X}\}$ as $x\to\infty$ is undefined. However, the function $M(t)$ can be easily computed by expansion of the series $M(t) = \frac{1}{1-t}$. The series converges for $-1<t<1$ and gives the moments of the function $X^{n}$.
  • #1
Usagi
45
0
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7306/moments.jpg

This a pretty weird question... because:

[tex]E(e^{tX}) = M(t) = \int_0^{\infty} e^{xt} e^{-x} dx = \int_0^{\infty} e^{-x(1-t)}dx = \lim_{k \to \infty} \left[\frac{e^{x(t-1)}}{t-1}\right]_0^k[/tex]

But the limit: [tex]\lim_{k \to \infty} \left[\frac{e^{k(t-1)}}{t-1}\right][/tex] is undefined?

How am I meant to compute the MGF then?

Thanks
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Usagi said:
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/7306/moments.jpg

This a pretty weird question... because:

[tex]E(e^{tX}) = M(t) = \int_0^{\infty} e^{xt} e^{-x} dx = \int_0^{\infty} e^{-x(1-t)}dx = \lim_{k \to \infty} \left[\frac{e^{x(t-1)}}{t-1}\right]_0^k[/tex]

But the limit: [tex]\lim_{k \to \infty} \left[\frac{e^{k(t-1)}}{t-1}\right][/tex] is undefined?

How am I meant to compute the MGF then?

Thanks

If $\displaystyle 1-t>0 \implies t<1$ is...

$\displaystyle E\{e^ {t\ X}\}= \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x\ (1-t)}\ dx = - |\frac{e^{-x\ (1-t)}}{1-t}|_{0}^{\infty} = \frac{1}{1-t}$ (1)

The condition $t<1$ is no limitation because pratically we are interested to the function $M(t)$ and its derivatives in $t=0$...

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
Last edited:
  • #3
Thanks chisigma,

However how did you know to set t-1>0? I thought the restriction on t was that there exists a positive b, such that [tex]t \in (-b,b)[/tex]

How does that relate with setting t-1>0 though?

Thanks again
 
  • #4
Usagi said:
Thanks chisigma,

However how did you know to set t-1>0? I thought the restriction on t was that there exists a positive b, such that [tex]t \in (-b,b)[/tex]

How does that relate with setting t-1>0 though?

Thanks again

The integral defining the moment generating function...

$\displaystyle M(t)= E\{e^{t\ X}\}= \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-x\ (1-t)}\ dx$ (1)

... converges for $\displaystyle t<1$ to $\displaystyle M(t)= \frac{1}{1-t}$. The series expansion...

$\displaystyle M(t)= \frac{1}{1-t}= \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} t^{n}$ (2)

... converges for $\displaystyle -1<t<1$ and (2) allows You an easily computation of the moments...

$\displaystyle E\{X^{n}\}= M^{(n)}(0)= n!$ (3)

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
  • #5
for bringing this issue to my attention. It appears that the MGF calculation provided in the image is incorrect. The correct approach would be to use the limit definition of the MGF, which is:

M(t) = \lim_{k\to\infty} E(e^{tX}) = \lim_{k\to\infty} \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{tx} f(x) dx

Where f(x) is the probability density function of the random variable X. This approach should eliminate any undefined limits and provide a valid solution for the MGF.

In general, when dealing with undefined limits, it is important to carefully check the calculations and make sure that all steps are mathematically valid. It may also be helpful to consult with a colleague or refer to reliable sources to confirm the correct approach.
 

FAQ: Calculating MGF: Solutions for Undefined Limit Issue

1. What is the purpose of calculating MGF?

The moment generating function (MGF) is a mathematical tool used in probability and statistics to describe the characteristics of a probability distribution. It allows us to calculate moments (e.g. mean, variance) of a distribution and to transform between different probability distributions.

2. What is the "undefined limit issue" when calculating MGF?

The "undefined limit issue" refers to situations where the integral used to compute the MGF does not converge, resulting in an undefined or infinite value. This can happen when the probability distribution is not well-behaved, such as having a heavy tail or infinite support.

3. How can the "undefined limit issue" be resolved when calculating MGF?

One way to resolve the "undefined limit issue" is to use a different form of the MGF, such as the characteristic function, which may converge even when the MGF does not. Another approach is to use a numerical method, such as Monte Carlo simulation, to approximate the MGF.

4. Can the MGF still be useful even if it cannot be calculated due to the "undefined limit issue"?

Yes, the MGF can still be useful in some cases even if it cannot be calculated. For example, it can be used to prove the central limit theorem or to derive moments of a distribution. Additionally, the MGF can provide insights into the shape and properties of a distribution even if it cannot be fully evaluated.

5. Are there any alternative methods for calculating MGF without encountering the "undefined limit issue"?

Yes, there are alternative methods for calculating MGF that do not involve integrals and therefore do not suffer from the "undefined limit issue." These methods include using moment-generating functions of simpler distributions and using generating functions, which are similar to MGFs but only involve discrete distributions.

Back
Top