Calculating Q for {}^{12}_{7}N Beta+ Decay

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In summary: I just misunderstanding something?The energy released is negative because it means the system has lost energy.
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Homework Statement



[itex]{}^{12}_{7}N[/itex] undergoes [itex]\beta^{+}[/itex] decay.

i. Write the corresponding equation.

ii. Calculate the decay energy, Q.

Homework Equations



[itex]M\left({}^{12}N\right)=12.018613u[/itex]

[itex]m_{e}=0.511\frac{MeV}{c^{2}}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



i. For the equation:

[tex]{}^{12}_{7}N\larrow{}^{12}_{6}N^{-}+{}^{0}_{+1}e^{+}+v_{e}[/tex]

ii. Calculation of decay energy:

[tex]Q=M(12,7)-{M(12,6)+2m(e)}[/tex]

Then input given values into this formula:

[tex]Q=(12.018613 \times 931.494MeV)-{M(12,6)+2(0.511MeV)}[/tex]

.. how do I distinguish between M(12,7) and M(12,6)? Need to find
the value of M(12,6) which I think gives all values in the equation
for the calculation of Q.

I'm really not sure . Hopefully this is somewhat along the correct method.:smile:
 
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Don't you need electron capture for this decay to occur? Also, since a proton is changing to a neutron, you will get a whole new element.
 
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Just noticed something messed up with the equation in my initial post. Yes it is [itex]\beta^{+}[/itex] decay, or electron capture.

The equation should read:

[tex]{}^{12}_{7}N+{}^{0}_{-1}e^{-} \implies {}^{12}_{6}N^{-}+v_{e}[/tex]

.. is this correct?
 
  • #4
So the proton decays into a neutron and positron. But the isotopes will stay neutral.

[tex]{}^{12}_7\text{N} \rightarrow {}^{12}_6\text{C}+{}^{0}_{1}e^+ + \nu_e[/tex]

Also, remember that the element will change since the proton number changes.

EDIT: I gave the positron a "mass number" of 0 and "atomic number" of +1 to make the math easier.
 
  • #5
Right so your equation there is correct in this case? As opposed to my equation.

How to I go about calculating the decay energy?
 
  • #6
The decay energy is just the difference in mass between the parent and the daughter atoms and particles.
 
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.. so the difference between [itex]{}^{12}_7\text{N}[/itex] and the sum of [itex]{}^{12}_6\text{C}+{}^{0}_{1}e^{+} + \nu_e[/itex]?

So I'd need to look these values up online?
 
  • #8
You had the right equation before. I will quickly explain it, or you can skip to the final answer.

Ok, so let me rewrite this so it makes more sense. Let's pretend there are no electrons present and we just have nuclei for the isotopes and the positron. So let me write it like:

[tex]{}^{12}_7\text{N} \rightarrow {}^{12}_6\text{C}+e^+ + \nu_e[/tex]

Where those are individual nuclei with +7 and +6 charge, respectively (charge is now conserved). So the decay energy will be:

[tex]\Delta m = (\bar{m}_C+m_e) - \bar{m}_N[/tex]

Where [tex]\bar{m}_C[/tex] and [tex]\bar{m}_N[/tex] are the masses of only the nuclei with no electrons. So let's add and subtract 7 electrons into this equation:

[tex]\Delta m = (\bar{m}_C+m_e) - \bar{m}_N + (7m_e - 7m_e)[/tex]

Rearranging the masses of the electrons to form atomic masses we get:

[tex]\Delta m = (\bar{m}_C+6m_e) - (\bar{m}_N+7m_e) + 2m_e[/tex]

Now writing it as atomic masses (not to be confused with the nuclear masses) we get:

[tex]\Delta m = m_C - m_N + 2m_e[/tex]

So you just need to know the masses of the individual atoms, and the mass of an electron.
 
  • #9
OK.

So I only know this though [itex]M\left({}^{12}N\right)=12.018613u[/itex]

And the mass of an electron [itex] m_{e}=0.511 MeV/c^{2} [/tex]

As both of these are defined in the question.

How do I find [itex]m_{C}[/itex] and [itex]m_{N}[/itex]??
 
  • #10
Well you know [tex]m_N[/tex] already, it is just the mass of the nitrogen atom (you are given this value in the beginning). Also carbon-12 has an important mass. The definition of the atomic mass unit is:

"A single atom of carbon-12 has a mass of 12 u exactly, by definition."

Hopefully you remember this.
 
  • #11
Ah yes I do remember now.

So: [tex]M\left({}^{12}N\right)=12.018613u , M\left({}^{12}C\right)=12.000000u , m_{e}=0.511 MeV/c^{2}[/tex]

Then can plug these values into the equation to get the decay energy:

[tex]Q=\Delta m = m_C - m_N + 2m_e = -0.018613u-2m_{e} = -18.35989MeV[/tex]

.. but this is negative. Can I just say it's positive? Or should it be [itex]m_N-m_C+2m_{e}[/itex]??
 
  • #12
Why did you subtract the [tex]2m_e[/tex] in the last line? Also if it is negative, that just means energy is released from the system and this reaction is possible.

If it were positive, then that would mean energy would be needed initially to start this reaction. And it would be impossible to decay on its own.
 
  • #13
nickjer said:
Why did you subtract the [tex]2m_e[/tex] in the last line? Also if it is negative, that just means energy is released from the system and this reaction is possible.

If it were positive, then that would mean energy would be needed initially to start this reaction. And it would be impossible to decay on its own.

Isn't it the other way around? Plus my books also say that energy from a reaction is calculated this way: [itex]Q=[m_{initial} - m_{final}]c^2[/itex]
doesn't this hold here?
 
  • #14
Well different books might write it in different ways. In the first post, Lissajoux wrote it as final - initial, so I kept it that way.
 

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To calculate Q for Beta+ Decay, you need to know the mass of the parent nucleus ({}127N) and the mass of the daughter nucleus ({}126C). You can obtain these values from a periodic table or a nuclear chart. Then, use the formula Q = (mp - md)c2, where mp is the mass of the parent nucleus, md is the mass of the daughter nucleus, and c is the speed of light (3 x 108 m/s).

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Calculating Q for Beta+ Decay allows us to determine the energy released during the decay process. This energy is in the form of gamma rays or kinetic energy of the emitted particles. It also helps us understand the stability of a nucleus and the likelihood of it undergoing a specific type of decay.

Can Q be negative for Beta+ Decay?

No, Q cannot be negative for Beta+ Decay. This is because in Beta+ Decay, a proton is converted into a neutron, and a positron and a neutrino are emitted. This process requires energy, so Q will always be positive.

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