Calculation of the magnetic field of four quarter circles

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Homework Statement
Calculate the magnetic field that four quarter circles produce . The The quarter circles are equidistant from each other by 50 mm and are located at the vertices of a square. The current is 1 A, and the radius of each quarter circle is 10 mm.Also, determine the direction of the magnetic flux lines.
Relevant Equations
Bio-Savart Law for current loop
The diagram is something like this, and I want to calculate the magnetic field at the center using the Biot-Savart law. In this case, do the magnetic fields formed by the quarter circles pairwise alternate with each other?
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Please, show us your attempt.
 
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You haven't how current flows. Anyway, the B's can't lie on the plane
 
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yes sorry , I have no idea how to calculate this , can you help me ?
 
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Consider that the current flows anticlockwise in each loop
 
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Where do we have to calculate the field ?
 
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at the center of all the quarters
 
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Try to write Biot's law for just one quarter but do not integrate yet.
 
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Hi @katarameno. Welcome to PF. As you've probably already realised, the forum rules mean we don't solve problems for you; we try to guide you to do it for yourself. Forum rules are here.

IMO the problem is pretty difficult and is not suitable for someone who isn't already confident with simpler Biot-Savart problems, So when you say
katarameno said:
I have no idea how to calculate this
that's worrying.

What course/level are you? Have you done other (simpler) Biot-Savart problems?

And are you certain that you have the current directions correct - all anticlockwise?

If you aren't familiar with using the Biot-Savart law, look at some worked problems. For example finding the field due to a square loop is explained in this video. You need at least that level of knowledge to tackle your problem.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
IMO the problem is pretty difficult and is not suitable for someone who isn't already confident with simpler Biot-Savart problems, So when you say
But now that the question has been asked,
Is it even possible to solve this by using only Biot-Savarts Law and Ampere's Circuital Law?
 
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Aurelius120 said:
But now that the question has been asked,
Is it even possible to solve this by using only Biot-Savarts Law and Ampere's Circuital Law?
It's certainly possible in principle with the Biot-Savart law. But I suspect something messy like an elliptic integral or numerical integration. would be needed. If so, the problem is unsuitable for a student meeting the Biot-Savart law for the first time - which, from the OP's posts, sounds like like the situation.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
It's certainly possible in principle with the Biot-Savart law. But I suspect something messy like an elliptic integral or numerical integration. would be needed. If so, the problem is unsuitable for a student meeting the Biot-Savart law for the first time - which, from the OP's posts, sounds like like the situation.
So more of a maths question than a physics one?
 
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Aurelius120 said:
So more of a maths question than a physics one?
Can't really answer that! Maybe it's better to think holistically - dealing with the maths is an essential part of the process of doing physics.
 

FAQ: Calculation of the magnetic field of four quarter circles

What is the general approach to calculate the magnetic field of four quarter circles?

The general approach involves using the Biot-Savart law or Ampère's circuital law to calculate the magnetic field produced by each quarter circle separately and then summing the contributions vectorially. The symmetry and geometry of the arrangement can simplify the calculations significantly.

How does symmetry affect the calculation of the magnetic field for four quarter circles?

Symmetry plays a crucial role in simplifying the calculations. If the four quarter circles are symmetrically arranged, certain components of the magnetic field may cancel out due to symmetry, reducing the complexity of the problem. This can often lead to only needing to calculate the field for one quarter circle and then applying symmetry arguments to find the total field.

What mathematical tools are typically used in these calculations?

The Biot-Savart law is often used, which involves integrating the contributions of infinitesimal current elements to the magnetic field. Vector calculus and trigonometric identities are also commonly employed to handle the geometry of the quarter circles and to simplify the integrals.

How do the radii of the quarter circles affect the resulting magnetic field?

The radii of the quarter circles directly affect the magnitude of the magnetic field. A larger radius generally means a weaker magnetic field at a given point due to the increased distance from the current elements. The specific relationship can be derived through the integration process in the Biot-Savart law.

Are there any special cases or simplifications for specific configurations of the quarter circles?

Yes, special cases can arise depending on the relative orientations and positions of the quarter circles. For example, if the quarter circles form a complete loop, the problem reduces to calculating the field of a full circular loop, which is a well-known problem with a straightforward solution. Other configurations might allow for simplifications based on the superposition principle and symmetry considerations.

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