Can a and b be real numbers other than -1 to satisfy a+b+ab=-1?

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In summary, the conversation discusses finding values of a and b for the equation a + b + ab = -1, or proving that it is impossible to find solutions. After a few unsuccessful attempts, it is shown that the only solutions are a = b = -1. However, if either a or b can equal -1, there are infinitely many solutions.
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Let a and b be to real numbers different from -1. Then show that the following is possible by finding values of a and b, or prove that it is impossible?

a+b+ab=-1

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I have no clue how to do this one?
 
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Here's a very ugly proof (that there are no solutions apart from those that contain -1 as one of the coordinates).

Just consider the LHS as a function of two variables and we're trying to determine points where this function is equal to -1.

f(x,y) = x+y+xy

It easy to show that [itex]f(-1,y) = -1[/tex] for all y, and similarly that [itex]f(x,-1) = -1[/itex] for all x. We want to determine if the function is equal to -1 at any points apart from along those two lines.

Consider a slice of the function at [itex]x=x_0[/itex]. We get:

[tex]f(x_0,y) = x_0 + (x_0 + 1) y[/tex],

a simple linear function of y with non zero gradient (as [itex]x_0 \neq -1[/itex])

Since [itex]f=-1[/itex] when y=-1 and gradient is non-zero then [itex]f(y)[/tex] can not be equal to zero for any other value of y.
 
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Given
a + b + ab + 1 = 0​
you can factor a, to get
a(b + 1) + b + 1 = 0​
and now factoring b+1,
(a + 1)(b + 1) = 0​
Thus one of the factors at the left must be zero.
 
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a + b + ab = -1
b + ab = -1 - a
b(1 + a) = -(1 + a)
b = -1

a + ab = -1 - b
a(1 + b) = -(1+b)
a = -1

So the only solutions are a = b = -1
 
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JG89 said:
a + b + ab = -1
b + ab = -1 - a
b(1 + a) = -(1 + a)
b = -1

a + ab = -1 - b
a(1 + b) = -(1+b)
a = -1

So the only solutions are a = b = -1

What about a=2, b=-1, so

2+(-1)+(-1)(2)=2-1-2=-1?
 
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if the requirement is that neither the numbers [tex], a, b [/tex] can equal [tex] -1 [/tex], then

[tex]
a + b + ab = -1
[/tex]

does not have any solutions, as the factorization of [tex] a + b + ab + 1 [/tex] shows.

However, if either [tex] a [/tex] or [tex] b [/tex] can be [tex] -1 [/tex], you have infinitely many solutions. (If we choose [tex] b = -1 [/tex], then for any [tex] a [/tex]

[tex]
a + (-1) + a(-1) = -1
[/tex]
 
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statdad said:
if the requirement is that neither the numbers [tex], a, b [/tex] can equal [tex] -1 [/tex], then

[tex]
a + b + ab = -1
[/tex]

does not have any solutions, as the factorization of [tex] a + b + ab + 1 [/tex] shows.

However, if either [tex] a [/tex] or [tex] b [/tex] can be [tex] -1 [/tex], you have infinitely many solutions. (If we choose [tex] b = -1 [/tex], then for any [tex] a [/tex]

[tex]
a + (-1) + a(-1) = -1
[/tex]

GOT IT!

I feel dumb now!...lol...
 

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