Can a function inside the integral be erased?

In summary, the article discusses the conditions under which a function inside an integral can be simplified or removed. It emphasizes the importance of understanding the context, such as the properties of the function, the limits of integration, and any relevant theorems, to determine if simplification is valid. Key concepts include the role of constant functions, continuity, and integration techniques that allow for the elimination of certain functions without altering the integral's value.
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Given that $$\int_a^b f(x)g(x) \, dx = \int_a^b f(x)h(x) \, dx$$ and $$f(x)=e^x$$, is it true that $$\int_a^b g(x) \, dx = \int_a^b h(x) \, dx$$?
 
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Does the first equation hold for any ##a## and ##b## or for are ##a## and ##b## fixed?
 
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Hill said:
Does the first equation hold for any ##a## and ##b## or for are ##a## and ##b## fixed?
##a## and ##b## are fixed scalar values
 
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##a## and ##b## are fixed scalar values
Then my answer is, no, not necessarily. ##g(x)## and ##h(x)## can "cut out" different sections of the ##f(x)##.
 
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For your consideration... the laziest, least rigorous, counter example; graphic novel style.
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Hill said:
Then my answer is, no, not necessarily. ##g(x)## and ##h(x)## can "cut out" different sections of the ##f(x)##.
Thank you
 
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DaveE said:
For your consideration... the laziest, least rigorous, counter example; graphic novel style.
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Thank you! one counter example must be enough
 
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Given that $$\int_a^b f(x)g(x) \, dx = \int_a^b f(x)h(x) \, dx$$ and $$f(x)=e^x$$, is it true that $$\int_a^b g(x) \, dx = \int_a^b h(x) \, dx$$?
Note that the question is equivalent to this. Given that
$$\int_a^b e^xf(x) \ dx = 0$$Is it true that:
$$\int_a^bf(x) \ dx = 0$$
 
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And if we let ##f(x) = e^{-x}g(x)## above, then the question is equivalent to:

Given that
$$\int_a^b g(x) \ dx = 0$$Is it true that:
$$\int_a^be^{-x}g(x) \ dx = 0$$Which doesn't look very likely. In fact, in that formulation it's fairly clear that the set of functions that fail the original hypothesis must bean infinite dimensional subspace of the space of integrable functions.
 
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