Can an ideal spring ever experience an unbound state?

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In summary: An unbound state is one in which the total mechanical energy could tear the system apart. That can't happen with an ideal spring.I don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you please clarify? I don't understand what you're trying to say. Can you please clarify?
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Homework Statement
Which of the following is a physical feature of a real spring which is NOT represented by the ideal spring potential energy graph?
A. a yield and breakage region
B. existence of bound states
C. existence of unbound states
D. region of compression where coils are touching
E. an equilibrium point of minimum energy
Relevant Equations
U = (1/2)ks^2 - E
This has never been covered in my lecture class before, and I can't find anything useful in my textbook. Considering I'm completely unfamiliar with this verbiage, I figured maybe if I google definitions of these terms I would be able to figure it out, but google doesn't have many definitions that apply to springs.
 
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Is this for a quantum mechanics class? The fact that bound and unbound states are mentioned makes me suspect that it is.
 
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Is this for a quantum mechanics class? The fact that bound and unbound states are mentioned makes me suspect that it is.
No! I think those are might be distractor answers because this is physics I
 
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@marjine -- Can you say which of the other options you think may apply to a real vs. ideal spring?

I did find a couple things about springs and bound states, but let's leave those aside for the moment...
 
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@marjine -- Can you say which of the other options you think may apply to a real vs. ideal spring?

I did find a couple things about springs and bound states, but let's leave those aside for the moment...
I think A and E are correct...
 
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marjine said:
I think A and E are correct...
What do you mean by correct? If you mean a feature that is "NOT represented by the ideal spring potential energy graph", then (E) is indeed a feature of the parabolic ideal spring potential energy. All parabolas with positive curvature have feature (E).
 
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kuruman said:
What do you mean by correct? If you mean a feature that is "NOT represented by the ideal spring potential energy graph", then (E) is indeed a feature of the parabolic ideal spring potential energy. All parabolas with positive curvature have feature (E).
Based on this, I ruled out all of the answer choices that contained E, and found that the correct answer is "A, C, D", but I still don't fully understand C.
 
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marjine said:
Based on this, I ruled out all of the answer choices that contained E, and found that the correct answer is "A, C, D", but I still don't fully understand C.
An unbound state is one in which the total mechanical energy could tear the system apart. That can't happen with an ideal spring.
 
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FAQ: Can an ideal spring ever experience an unbound state?

What is an ideal spring?

An ideal spring is a theoretical spring that obeys Hooke's Law perfectly, meaning the force it exerts is directly proportional to the displacement from its equilibrium position. It has no mass, no damping, and no limits to its elasticity.

What does it mean for a spring to be in an unbound state?

An unbound state for a spring would imply that the spring is stretched or compressed infinitely, without any restoring force bringing it back to its equilibrium position. This concept is more theoretical since real springs have physical limits.

Can an ideal spring theoretically experience an unbound state?

Theoretically, an ideal spring cannot experience an unbound state because it follows Hooke's Law indefinitely. As long as there is displacement, there will always be a restoring force proportional to that displacement, preventing it from becoming unbound.

Are there any physical limitations that prevent real springs from becoming unbound?

Yes, real springs have physical limitations such as material strength, elastic limits, and potential for permanent deformation. These factors prevent real springs from being stretched or compressed infinitely, thus avoiding an unbound state.

What would happen if an ideal spring were subjected to an infinite force?

If an ideal spring were subjected to an infinite force, theoretically, it would result in an infinite displacement. However, since ideal springs are hypothetical constructs, this scenario is not physically realizable. In reality, the spring would break or deform permanently long before reaching such a state.

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