Can Pythagorean Triangles Have the Same Area but Different Side Lengths?

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In summary, the conversation discusses Pythagorean triangles and how to find three different triangles with the same area. The formula for generating primitive Pythagorean triangles is explained and used to generate a list of areas for various values of m and n. Three triangles are found with areas of 840 and it is noted that these can be scaled up and still remain Pythagorean. Further analysis is done to determine if there are any other triangles with the same area, and it is found that these three are the smallest possible. The conversation also mentions a list of the smallest four triangles with equal areas.
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Pythagorean triangles are right angled triangles where each of the three sides is an integer length. The 3,4,5 triangle is the best known.

Find three Pythagorean triangles that each have the same area.
 
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Answer:
15 112 113
42 40 58
70 24 74
(leg leg hypotenuse)
All three have area 840.

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I essentially used the old formula for generating primitive (i.e. non-reducable by division)pythagorian triangles:
[tex](m^2-n^2)^2+(2mn)^2=(m^2+n^2)^2[/tex]
...where m>n and m and n are relativily prime and have different parities. I have no idea how to prove this, but appearently this spans all primitives and only primitives. I'd seen it a few times but had to look it up. Anyway, this means that:
[tex]2A=(m^2-n^2)(2mn)[/tex]
[tex]A=m^3n-mn^3[/tex]
I generated the areas for all m,n in the 1-10 span, replacing those not fitting the bill by 0:
Code:
0,   0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0
6,   0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0
0,   30,   0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0
60,  0,    84,   0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0
0,   210,  0,    180,  0,    0,    0,    0,    0,    0
210, 0,    0,    0,    330,  0,    0,    0,    0,    0
0,   630,  0,    924,  0,    546,  0,    0,    0,    0
504, 0,    1320, 0,    1560, 0,    840,  0,    0,    0
0,   1386, 0,    2340, 0,    0,    0,    1224, 0,    0
990, 0,    2730, 0,    0,    0,    3570, 0,    1710, 0
Right away, the two 210s pop out at me. These are (m,n) 5,2 and 6,1. Feeding them into the original formula gives 21,20 and 35,12 as their respective legs (areas indeed 210). Now, it's obviously possible to scale them up by a set factor and still have them remain pythagorian (though no longer primitive). Scaling the legs up scales the area up by it's square, i.e. if multiply the legs by two and the area increases by 4. Hence, if there is another area that can be obtained by multiplying 210 with a square number, there's a third one. As I start thinking about how one might find intersection between the up-scalings of these, I notice that 840 (210*4) is already on the board at 8,7. This gives 15,112 (hyp 113, area 840). I scale up the others by two (21,20 -> 42,40 and 35,12 -> 70,24). Re-crunching just to make sure, they are indeed still pythagorian and all three now equal in area.

[EDIT]I went ahead and reduced the primitives to a list, multiplied each by all square numbers small enough to hit the largest and sorted/analyzed. Hence, I can now also say with some confidence that this is the smallest answer possible (figured it was, but I didn't exactly know). There also seems to be no others at least up to A=~10k that aren't further upscales of these. I checked for four or more up to A=~100k, but no such luck.
[EDIT]Just for the heck of it, here's the smallest four with equal areas (felt a little odd about the three case since using a computer as I admittedly did one could have exhaustive searched the integer triangles up to 200 or so - the algo used here is way overkill):
(leg leg hyp)
13230 8360 15650
10395 10640 14875
14950 5544 20706
5985 18480 19425
Areas are 55301400
 
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I find the concept of Pythagorean triangles fascinating. The fact that their sides are all integer lengths and that they follow the well-known Pythagorean theorem, which states that the square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides, is truly remarkable.

In response to the statement about finding three Pythagorean triangles with the same area, I would like to point out that there are infinitely many Pythagorean triangles with the same area. This is because the area of a right angled triangle is half the product of its base and height, and for Pythagorean triangles, the base and height can be any integers that satisfy the Pythagorean theorem. Therefore, as long as the base and height of three Pythagorean triangles are equal, their areas will also be equal.

However, to provide some examples, I will present three Pythagorean triangles with the same area of 6 units squared. The first one is the well-known 3-4-5 triangle, with sides of length 3, 4, and 5 units. The second one is the 2-2-2√2 triangle, with sides of length 2, 2, and 2√2 units. And the third one is the 1-3-2√5 triangle, with sides of length 1, 3, and 2√5 units. All three of these triangles have the same area of 6 units squared, but their side lengths are different.

In conclusion, Pythagorean triangles are a fascinating mathematical concept that have been studied for centuries. The fact that they can have the same area but different side lengths only adds to their intrigue and complexity. I am constantly amazed by the wonders of mathematics and the endless possibilities it presents.
 

FAQ: Can Pythagorean Triangles Have the Same Area but Different Side Lengths?

What is a Pythagorean triangle?

A Pythagorean triangle is a right triangle with integer side lengths that satisfy the Pythagorean Theorem, which states that the square of the length of the hypotenuse (the side opposite the right angle) is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides.

How do you find the length of the sides of a Pythagorean triangle?

The length of the sides of a Pythagorean triangle can be found using the Pythagorean Theorem: a² + b² = c². Substitute the known values for a and b, and solve for c. Alternatively, you can use a Pythagorean triple, which is a set of three integers that satisfy the Pythagorean Theorem, such as 3, 4, 5 or 5, 12, 13.

Can all triangles be Pythagorean triangles?

No, not all triangles can be Pythagorean triangles. A Pythagorean triangle must have integer side lengths, and not all triangles have this property. Additionally, not all triangles have a right angle, which is a necessary condition for a Pythagorean triangle.

What are some real-world applications of Pythagorean triangles?

Pythagorean triangles have many real-world applications, such as in construction and architecture for creating right angles and calculating diagonal measurements. They are also used in navigation and surveying to determine distances and angles. Additionally, Pythagorean triangles are used in physics and engineering for calculating forces and vectors.

Are there any other names for Pythagorean triangles?

Yes, Pythagorean triangles are also known as Pythagorean triples, Pythagorean triads, or Pythagorean numbers. They are named after the Greek mathematician Pythagoras who discovered the Pythagorean Theorem.

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