Can Sub Lengths Be Equally Divided Among Three TAs?

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The discussion centers on the challenge of dividing subs of varying lengths among three TAs so that each TA receives an equal total length without breaking any subs. The total length of the subs is given by the formula n(n+1)/2, which must be divisible by 3 for equal distribution. Initial attempts show that for n values 1 to 4, equal division is not possible, while for n = 5, a successful division is demonstrated. Participants emphasize the importance of understanding the divisibility condition and suggest focusing on integer properties to identify valid n values. The conversation concludes with a request for hints on proving the identified values.
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Hard problem - dividing the subs !

Homework Statement



Anupam brought n > 0 subs, one each of length 1; 2; 3;... ; n, to a grading party.
The three TAs distributed the subs among themselves such that no sub was broken, and each TA
ended up with an equal total length. For what values of n is such a division possible?


Homework Equations


At some point, we may use the the sum formula : n(n+1)/2


The Attempt at a Solution



I tried finding a pattern

n = 1
we have only one sub, doesn't work

n= 2
doesn't work

n=3
doesn't work, as we can't divide this by 3 people.

n=4
doesn't work,

n= 5
it works !
we have 1,2,3,4,5
we can divide by 3 as follows :
one of the TAs will take 5
The other will take 4,1
The third will take 2,3

So, how should I precede with that ?

Do you think this is the right thing ?
 
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It's good that you looked for a pattern right off the start, but I think the main focus is in the formula they gave you (n(n+1)/2). This formula is the what you would use to find 1 + 2 + 3 +...+n. So in the context of this question (n(n + 1))/2 gives you the total length of bread that will be available.
Hope this helps.
 


Mmm...
Ya But the problem with that is:
Knowing how long bread I have Doesn't solve the problem, since
I Am not Able to break the breads apart.

So, any extra hints ??
 


Think about each bread as an integer. The fact that we can't break apart any bread when we divide the total length by 3 is important as it tells us something about the expression:
\frac{1}{3} \frac{n(n+1)}{2} , mainly that it can only take on values from a specific set.
Hope this helps
 
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Ok. now suppose I found the two numbers -
are there any hints of how to prove them ?
 
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