Can three points on a circle have a distance between them of less than r^(1/3)?

  • MHB
  • Thread starter Ackbach
  • Start date
  • Tags
    2017
In summary, it is possible for three points on a circle to have a distance between them of less than r^(1/3), which can be calculated using the Pythagorean theorem. Distance between three points on a circle cannot be negative and has various real-life applications, but it does not affect the circumference of the circle.
  • #1
Ackbach
Gold Member
MHB
4,155
92
Here is this week's POTW:

-----

Three distinct points with integer coordinates lie in the plane on a circle of radius $r>0$. Show that two of these points are separated by a distance of at least $r^{1/3}$.

-----

Remember to read the http://www.mathhelpboards.com/showthread.php?772-Problem-of-the-Week-%28POTW%29-Procedure-and-Guidelines to find out how to http://www.mathhelpboards.com/forms.php?do=form&fid=2!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Re: Problem Of The Week # 263 - May 15, 2017

This was Problem A-5 in the 2000 William Lowell Putnam Mathematical Competition.

Congratulations to Opalg for his correct answer, which follows:

By a translation, we can assume that one of the three points is at the origin. The other two points are then $(a,b)$ and $(c,d)$, where $a,b,c,d$ are all integers. Let $l$ be the maximum distance between the points. Then $a^2+b^2 \leqslant l^2$ and $c^2+d^2 \leqslant l^2$. Also, the three points are not collinear, which implies that $\dfrac ba \ne \dfrac dc$. (That assumes that $a$ and $c$ are nonzero. A minor modification would be needed to deal with the case where one of them is zero.) So $bc-ad\ne0$. Since $a,b,c,d$ are all integers, it follows that $|bc-ad| \geqslant1.$The perpendicular bisector of the line from $(0,0)$ to $(a,b)$ has equation $y - \frac12b = -\frac ab\bigl(x - \frac12a\bigr)$, or $-2ax + 2by = a^2 + b^2$. In the same way, the perpendicular bisector of the line from $(0,0)$ to $(c,d)$ has equation $-2cx + 2dy = c^2+d^2$. Those two lines intersect at the centre of the circle. Solving the two equations, you see that the centre is at the point $(x,y)$ given by $$2(bc-ad)x = d(a^2+b^2) - b(c^2+d^2), \qquad 2(bc-ad)y = c(a^2+b^2) - a(c^2+d^2).$$ Since $1\leqslant |bc-ad|$, it follows that $$4x^2 \leqslant \bigl(d(a^2+b^2) - b(c^2+d^2)\bigr)^2 \leqslant (d^2 + b^2)\bigl((a^2+b^2)^2 + (c^2+d^2)^2 \bigr) \leqslant 2(d^2 + b^2)l^4$$ (the middle of those three inequalities coming from Cauchy–Schwarz). Therefore $x^2 \leqslant \frac12(d^2 + b^2)l^4$, and in the same way $y^2 \leqslant \frac12(c^2+a^2)l^2$.

The radius of the circle is given by $r^2 = x^2+y^2 \leqslant \frac12\bigl((a^2 +b^2 + c^2 + d^2\bigr)l^4 \leqslant \frac12(2l^2)l^4 = l^6$, from which $l \geqslant r^{1/3}.$
 

FAQ: Can three points on a circle have a distance between them of less than r^(1/3)?

Can three points on a circle have a distance between them of less than r^(1/3)?

Yes, it is possible for three points on a circle to have a distance between them of less than r^(1/3). This depends on the size of the radius and the placement of the points on the circle.

Is there a mathematical formula to determine the distance between three points on a circle?

Yes, the distance between three points on a circle can be calculated using the Pythagorean theorem. This formula is a^2 + b^2 = c^2, where a and b are the distances between two points and c is the distance between the third point and the midpoint of the line connecting the other two points.

Can the distance between three points on a circle be negative?

No, the distance between three points on a circle cannot be negative. Distance is a measure of how far apart two points are, and it cannot be a negative value. It is always represented as a positive number.

Are there any real-life applications for knowing the distance between three points on a circle?

Yes, knowing the distance between three points on a circle can be useful in many fields, such as engineering, navigation, and physics. For example, it can be used to calculate the trajectory of a projectile or the radius of a circular object.

How does the distance between three points on a circle affect the circumference of the circle?

The distance between three points on a circle does not affect the circumference of the circle. The circumference is determined by the radius and is equal to 2πr. The distance between three points only affects the size and shape of the arcs connecting them.

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
Back
Top