Can two different infinite series converge to the same limit?

In summary, the conversation discusses whether two infinite series with convergent terms can have the same limit if one series is always smaller than the other. The conclusion is that this is not possible, as even if there is an infinite number of terms where the smaller series is smaller, the larger series will still eventually outweigh it.
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raphile
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Hi,

The title of the thread doesn't adequately describe the question I want to ask, so here it is:

Suppose we have two infinite series, [itex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_n[/itex] and [itex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}b_n[/itex], both of which are convergent. Also suppose [itex]a_n \leq b_n[/itex] for all [itex]n[/itex], and [itex]a_n < b_n[/itex] for at least one [itex]n[/itex]. Is it possible that they both converge to the same limit? Or can we say that [itex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_n[/itex] is strictly smaller than [itex]\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}b_n[/itex]?

If the answer to the above question is that they can have the same limit, then what if [itex]a_n<b_n[/itex] for infinitely many [itex]n[/itex]?

Thanks!
 
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Suppose [itex]a_i < b_i[/itex] and that [itex]a_n \leq b_n[/itex] for all [itex]n \neq i[/itex]. Then if [itex]\sum_{n \in \mathbb{N}}a_n[/itex] and [itex]\sum_{n \in \mathbb{N}}b_n[/itex] converge, it is easy to show the following:
[tex]\sum_{n \leq i}a_n < \sum_{n \leq i}b_n[/tex]
[tex]\sum_{n > i}a_n \leq \sum_{n > i}b_n[/tex]
Adding these together gives
[tex]\sum_{n \in \mathbb{N}}a_n = \sum_{n \leq i}a_n + \sum_{n > i}a_n < \sum_{n \leq i}b_n + \sum_{n > i}b_n = \sum_{n \in \mathbb{N}}b_n[/tex]
This should answer your question.
 
  • #3
There is no way they can have the same limit. If you compare finite sums including at least one n where an < bn, then the a partial sum will be smaller and there is no way it can make up the difference without a term with a > b.
 
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Ok, that's great, thanks!
 

FAQ: Can two different infinite series converge to the same limit?

What are infinite series?

Infinite series are mathematical expressions that involve an infinite number of terms. They are written in the form of a sum, where each term is added to the previous one.

Can two different infinite series have the same limit?

Yes, it is possible for two different infinite series to have the same limit. This means that the sum of the terms in both series will approach the same value as the number of terms increases towards infinity.

How can two infinite series have the same limit?

Two infinite series can have the same limit if the rate at which their terms approach zero is the same. This can be seen in the ratio test, where the limit of the ratio between consecutive terms determines if the series converges or diverges.

Are there any conditions for two infinite series to have the same limit?

Yes, there are certain conditions that must be met for two infinite series to have the same limit. One condition is that the series must have the same number of terms. Additionally, the terms in both series must approach zero at the same rate.

Is it common for two infinite series to have the same limit?

No, it is not common for two infinite series to have the same limit. In most cases, infinite series with different terms will have different limits. However, there are some special cases where two different series can have the same limit, such as in geometric series with a common ratio of 1.

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