Can Two Future-Pointing Null Vectors Sum to a Time-Like Vector?

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In summary, the sum of two future-pointing null vectors is a future-pointing time-like vector, except when the two null vectors have the same direction. Conversely, any time-like vector can be expressed as a sum of two null vectors. The freedom in choosing these null vectors is in their time-orientation, which can be either future-pointing or past-pointing.
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Homework Statement



Show that the sum of two future-pointing null vectors is a future-pointing time-like vector, except when the two null vectors have the same direction. Conversely, show that any time-like vector can be expressed as a sum of two null vectors. For a given time-like vector the two null vectors are not uniquely determined: what is the nature of the freedom in their choice?

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Under the 'mostly-minus' convention, a null vector ##N^{a}## satisfies ##N^{a}N_{a}=0##, a time-like vector ##T^{a}## satisfies ##T^{a}T_{a}>0##, and a space-like vector ##S^{a}## satisfies ##S^{a}S_{a}<0##.

Given a future-pointing time-like vector ##P^{a}## (with ##P^{0}>0##), any other future-pointing time-like or null vector ##Q^{a}## satisfies ##P^{a}Q_{a}>0##.

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Consider two future-pointing null vectors ##P^{a}## and ##Q^{a}##. These vectors satisfy the following relations:

##P^{a}P_{a}=0,\ Q^{a}Q_{a}=0,\ P^{a}Q_{a}>0##.

Therefore, ##(P^{a}+Q^{a})(P_{a}+Q_{a}) = P^{a}P_{a}+ 2\ P^{a}Q_{a} + Q^{a}Q_{a} = 2\ P^{a}Q_{a}##.

Now, if ##P^{a} \not\propto Q^{a}##, then ##(P^{a}+Q^{a})(P_{a}+Q_{a}) = 2\ P^{a}Q_{a} > 0## and

if ##P^{a} \propto Q^{a}##, then ##(P^{a}+Q^{a})(P_{a}+Q_{a}) \propto 2\ P^{a}P_{a} = 0##.

Therefore, the sum of two future-pointing null vectors is a time-like vector, except when the two null vectors have the same direction, in which case the sum is again a null vector (regardless of the time-orientation of the original two vectors).Consider a time-like vector ##S^{a}+T^{a}##, where the nature of ##S^{a}## and ##T^{a}## are not yet known. The vector ##S^{a}+T^{a}## satisfies the following relation:

##(S^{a}+T^{a})(S_{a}+T_{a})>0##, which means that

##S^{a}S_{a}+T^{a}T_{a}+2S^{a}T_{a}>0##

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Consider a time-like vector ##S^{a}+T^{a}##, where the nature of ##S^{a}## and ##T^{a}## are not yet known. The vector ##S^{a}+T^{a}## satisfies the following relation:

##(S^{a}+T^{a})(S_{a}+T_{a})>0##, which means that

##S^{a}S_{a}+T^{a}T_{a}+2S^{a}T_{a}>0##

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What happens if you now choose S and T to be null-like?
 
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If ##S^{a}## and ##T^{a}## are null-like, then ##S^{a}T_{a}>0##

which means that ##S^{a}T_{a}## has to be future-pointing as well.But then, the relation ##S^{a}S_{a}+T^{a}T_{a}+2S^{a}T_{a}>0## is also satisfied for ##S^{a}## and ##T^{a}## future-pointing time-like?
 
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Yes, the question asks you to show that a time-like vector can be expressed as a sum of two null vectors; it did not say that that is the only way to decompose it. I don't see why you can't express a time-like vector as a sum of two time-like vectors if you wanted to.
 
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Thanks! Got it!

Let me now answer the third part of the question:

For a given time-like vector, the two null vectors are not uniquely determined: what is the nature of the freedom in their choice?

The condition for the vectors ##T^{a}## and ##S^{a}## to be null is that ##T^{a}S_{a}>0##,

so either both vectors are future-pointing, or both are past-pointing.

Is this correct?
 
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Yup, that seems right to me.
 

FAQ: Can Two Future-Pointing Null Vectors Sum to a Time-Like Vector?

1. What is the sum of null and time-like vectors?

The sum of null and time-like vectors is a vector that represents the combination of both a null vector (a vector with zero magnitude and direction) and a time-like vector (a vector with a non-zero magnitude and direction in the time dimension).

2. How is the sum of null and time-like vectors calculated?

The sum of null and time-like vectors is calculated by adding the components of the two vectors together. The resulting vector will have a magnitude and direction that is a combination of the two original vectors.

3. What is the significance of null and time-like vectors in physics?

Null and time-like vectors play a significant role in the theory of relativity, as they represent the concept of space-time and the relationship between space and time. They also have practical applications in fields such as astrophysics and engineering.

4. Can the sum of null and time-like vectors be a null vector?

Yes, the sum of null and time-like vectors can result in a null vector if the two original vectors have equal and opposite magnitudes and directions. This means that the two vectors cancel each other out and the resulting vector has zero magnitude and direction, making it a null vector.

5. How do null and time-like vectors affect the measurement of distance and time?

Null and time-like vectors affect the measurement of distance and time by demonstrating how they are not independent of each other, but rather interconnected in the concept of space-time. In the theory of relativity, measurements of distance and time can vary depending on the observer's frame of reference, which is represented by the use of null and time-like vectors.

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