Can you help me solve this system of DEs with a tricky auxiliary equation?

In summary, the individual had a system of differential equations with variables x1, x2, and x3. After simplifying and using the Differentiation operator, they were left with an auxiliary equation for x2. The individual tried to factor the equation but was unable to do so and turned to the expert for help. The expert provided the factorization of the equation and explained how they obtained it. The individual expressed their surprise and gratitude for the seemingly complex solution.
  • #1
EvLer
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I have this system of DEs, but after getting through all the simplifications I can't factor the auxiliary equation:

x1' = -2x1 + x2 + x3
x2' = x1 - x2 + 3x3
x3' = -x2 - 3x3

Then I eliminated all variables except for x2, using Differentiation operator.
my AE from x2 is this:

r3 + 6r2 + 12r + 12 = 0

And I'm stuck!

thank you in advance.
 
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  • #2
EvLer said:
r3 + 6r2 + 12r + 12 = 0

For what it's worth, this factors into

[tex]
\left( r + a \right) \left(r^2 + \left( 6 - a \right) r + \frac{12}{a} \right) = 0,
[/tex]

with

[tex]
a = 2 + 2^{\frac{2}{3}}
[/tex]

Regards,
George
 
  • #3
I get a different equation for x2.

I get: -(D+2)(D^2 + 4D + 5)x2 = 0
or (D^3 + 6D^2 + 13D + 10)x2 = 0
the aux has roots: -2, -2 +i, -2 - i.

We can check that the eigenvalues of
[tex] \left( \begin{array}{ccc}
-2 & 1 & 1 \\
1 & -1 & 3 \\
0 & -1 & -3
\end{array} \right) [/tex]
are -2, -2+i, -2-i

so the solutions should be linear combinations
of exp(-2t), exp(-2t)*sin(t), exp(-2t)*cos(t).
 
  • #4
How did you get that equation?
I tried eliminating x1 first, after that I have 2 equations:

x2 + (D + 3)x3 = 0
(D + 1)(D + 2)x2 - x2 - x3 - 3(D + 2)x3 = 0

so from here

x2 + (D + 3)x3 = 0
[(D + 1)(D + 2) - 1]x2 - [3(D + 2) + 1]x3 = 0

is that what you had?
because I can't get your answer.
thanks.
 
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  • #5
starting here
x2 + (D + 3)x3 = 0
[(D + 1)(D + 2) - 1]x2 - [3(D + 2) + 1]x3 = 0

therefore
[3(D+2)+1]x2 + (D+3)[3(D+2)+1]x3 = 0
(D+3)[(D + 1)(D + 2) - 1]x2 - (D+3)[3(D + 2) + 1]x3 = 0

add those.

and some mindless algebra gives:
[3(D+2)+1 + (D+3)[(D+1)(D+2) -1]] x2 = 0;
[3D + 6+1 + (D+3)[D^2 + 3D + 1]]x2 = 0
[3D +7 + D^3 + 3D^2 + D + 3D^2 + 9D + 3]x2 = 0
[D^3 + 6D^2 + 13D + 10]x2 = 0
 
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  • #6
argh... Ok, thanks much! I guess I just expected a nice and simple solution...
 

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