Can Z be Injected into <x,y:xyx=y> by a Homomorphism?

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The discussion centers on proving that there is no injective homomorphism from the group Z to the group presented as <x,y:xyx=y>. Participants explore the implications of group presentations and relators, noting that Z has a single relator while the target group has a different structure. The conversation highlights the equivalence of <x,y:x=y> to Z, complicating the attempt to establish an injective mapping. Some suggest potential homomorphisms like f(n)=x^n or g(n)=y^n but ultimately acknowledge the challenge in finding a valid injective homomorphism. The conclusion emphasizes the difficulty in embedding Z into the specified group presentation.
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Homework Statement


Show that you cannot injectively take Z into <x,y:xyx=x> by a homomorphism.

EDIT:the presentation should be <x,y:xyx=y>

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I am new to group presentation, can someone just give me a hint? Z has the presentation <x: no relations>. Is it true that any homomorphism has to take a relator to a relator? Then it is clearly impossible since Z has only one relator...
 
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Fiddling around with the relation in the presentation will make it obvious.
 
See the EDIT.
 
Ah, so you're trying for an injective homomorphism G \rightarrow \mathbb Z.
Basically this is the same as saying that G is isomorphic to a (not necessarily proper) subgroup of \mathbb Z.

N.B.: Regarding the bit about relators - consider that &lt;x,y:x=y&gt; is clearly equivalent to \mathbb Z.
 
NateTG said:
Ah, so you're trying for an injective homomorphism G \rightarrow \mathbb Z.
Not really. I am trying to show that there is no injective homomorphism from Z to <x,y:xyx=y>. That is, I want to show that you cannot find any copies of Z in <x,y:xyx=y>.
 
ehrenfest said:
Not really. I am trying to show that there is no injective homomorphism from Z to <x,y:xyx=y>. That is, I want to show that you cannot find any copies of Z in <x,y:xyx=y>.

Hmm, I'm missing something then.
f: \mathbb{Z} \rightarrow G
f(n)=x^n
or
g(n)=y^n
look like they are such homomorphisms.
 
Maybe you're right. I wanted to use this as a step in a different problem, but maybe I need to find another step.
 

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