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SOS2008
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First, I have given no one permission to listen to my phone calls, monitor my email, read my mail, etc., and information such as my medical history is not public domain.russ_watters said:Search warrants, as you must know, do not apply to information that is voluntarily given and/or in the public domain. Those cops sitting on the side of the road with radar detectors and the ones watching the cameras at the mall have no search warrant and no probable cause - they are simply trolling for information that is in the public domain.
That is the key to this issue, and you guys know it and ignore it every time we discuss it. If there is no search there is no unreasonable search and siesure. If there is no increase in the scope of data available, there is no decrease in privacy. All that is changing is the way already available information is analyzed.
As for sting operations, these activities have been limited according to entrapment, and likewise road blocks must be advertised to the public in advance. In regard to private industry, I always ask if my information will be shared (sold), otherwise I won't provide it.
If the "how" of data mining is done via key words, then the "who" is indiscriminate and without probable cause, and the NSA is in clear violation of right to privacy. Why do you continue to ignore this?
Right. What I am referring to is as stated above in which data is collected indiscriminately per key words or in a dragnet manner.Moonbear said:SOS, just to quickly address the search warrant/ probable cause issue, probable cause IS publicly available data; it's any data about a person and their actions that can be gathered by observation of them and evidence left out in public or at a crime scene, as opposed to found on their private property. The search warrant based on that probable cause is used to further search on their private property. So, if a store owner has information in their computer about what your recent purchases are, and they agree to share that information with the police/government, there's nothing illegal about it. If the store owner refuses to share that information, however, then a search warrant or subpoena would be required to obtain it from them. So, what data could be collected without any warrants would depend on how willing people who own the property where it's stored are to share it. If large corporations decided they could make a small fortune selling their data to the government, they can do that and haven't broken any laws.
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