Canonical Transformation/Poisson Brackets

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In summary, the conversation is about trying to show the relation [q_j, p_k] = \delta_{jk} using summation notation. The attempted solution includes a summation with the index k, but this is incorrect as it appears in both the numerator and denominator. The correct approach is to use a different summation index, such as n, to avoid confusion.
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Homework Statement


I am trying to show that [tex] [q_j, p_k] = \delta_{jk} [/tex] (this is part of exercise 2.7.3 from Shankar's QM). I'm having difficulties with the summation notation.

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[tex] [q_j, p_k] = \sum_{k} (\frac{\partial q_j}{\partial q_k} \frac{\partial p_k}{\partial p_k} - \frac{\partial q_j}{\partial p_k} \frac{\partial p_j}{\partial q_k}[/tex] [tex] = \sum_{k} - \delta_{jk} = \delta_{jk} ??[/tex]
I'm not so confident on my choice of 'k' as the summation variable. It seems to me the summation should not disappear like that. If I am interpreting this correctly, the negative sign isn't such a big deal... Can anyone check my work, I don't think I am doing it correctly
 
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Yes, you have to be careful about that. Left, the [tex]p_k[/tex] carries an index k. That means you shouldn't use k as a summation dummy index on the right hand side. Try working it out starting from the following:

[tex] [q_j,p_k] = \sum_n \left( \frac{\partial q_j}{\partial q_n}\frac{\partial p_k}{\partial p_n} - \frac{\partial q_j}{\partial p_n}\frac{\partial p_k}{\partial q_n}\right)[/tex]

EDIT: mixed up the indices myself...
 
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There is more amiss here. The indices of the numerators are wrong as well. (we're talking about Poisson brackets here right?)

[tex]
[q_j,p_k]=\sum_n \left( \frac{\partial q_j}{\partial q_n}\frac{\partial p_k}{\partial p_n} - \frac{\partial q_j}{\partial p_n}\frac{\partial p_k}{\partial q_n}\right)
[/tex]
 

FAQ: Canonical Transformation/Poisson Brackets

What is a canonical transformation?

A canonical transformation is a mathematical transformation that preserves the symplectic structure of a mechanical system. It maps one set of canonical variables (such as position and momentum) to another set of canonical variables, while preserving the fundamental Poisson brackets between the variables.

What are Poisson brackets?

Poisson brackets are a mathematical tool used in Hamiltonian mechanics to describe the dynamics of a system. They represent the fundamental relationship between pairs of canonical variables, and can be used to derive equations of motion for a system.

How are canonical transformations related to Hamilton's equations?

Hamilton's equations describe the time evolution of a mechanical system in terms of its Hamiltonian function. Canonical transformations map one set of canonical variables to another set while preserving the Hamiltonian function and the form of Hamilton's equations.

What are some examples of canonical transformations?

Some common examples of canonical transformations include rotations and translations in phase space, as well as changes of coordinates between Cartesian and polar coordinates.

Why are canonical transformations important in physics?

Canonical transformations play a crucial role in Hamiltonian mechanics and are used extensively in classical mechanics, quantum mechanics, and statistical mechanics. They allow us to simplify and analyze complex systems, and they provide a powerful mathematical framework for understanding the fundamental laws of physics.

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