Capacitance between ground and copper loop in the air

In summary, the conversation discusses the development of an EM device for measuring ground humidity, with a copper closed loop being used to generate a magnetic field. The issue of EM 'parasites' affecting the accuracy of measurements is raised, and the need to compute the capacitance between the loop and the ground is identified. Computation of the capacitance involves using Gauss theorem and integrating over the height of the loop. The estimated capacitance value is 3pF, with the expectation that it will be corrected to a more accurate value of 7-10 pF.
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LorDjidane
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Hello there

I'm currently working on an EM device that should be able to measure the humidity in the ground. I cannot give too many details, but let's consider the following issue:

I have a copper closed loop in which I send some current to generate a magnetic field. But there are some EM 'parasites', making my measurements unaccurate.

First of all, I'd like to compute the capacitance existing between my closed loop and the ground (note that the loop is at h=70cm height from the ground plus it has a diameter of 1m and a width of 3cm).

Here are my computations. I think I went way too fast, but this was only to get a rough idea in 30s about the expected value.

(s stands for sigma, e for epsilon, S for surface; I'm sorry, i will write down the latex stuff later)

Ground => E = s/2e
Loop => Q = I[tex]\Delta[/tex]t (an approximation of my loop as a wire)

Then, Gauss theorem: E = Q/Se (that's the epsilon of the wire; I don't know what surface to take, i assume this is the surface seen by the ground?)

Total field: E = s/2e + I[tex]\Delta[/tex]t/Se

Then I integer over the height h, since [tex]\Delta[/tex]U = -[tex]\int{E}[/tex], over h.

And that leaves me with:

C = Q/U (this Q is the total charge in the system (ground + loop))

C = [(s_ground/S_ground) + I[tex]\Delta[/tex]t] / [h{(s_ground/2e_ground) + I[tex]\Delta[/tex]t/(S_wire*e_wire)}]

(damn this is horrible; i'll correct it)
 
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With this very simple model, I obtain a capacitance value of 3pF. That seems correct, I will just have to correct it to get some more details (I expect the value to be more around 7-10 pF).

What do you think?
 
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I appreciate your enthusiasm and interest in calculating the capacitance between your copper loop and the ground. It is important to consider all factors and potential sources of interference in your EM device.

Based on your computations, it seems like you have a good understanding of the basic principles involved in calculating capacitance. However, I would recommend taking a closer look at the surface area and distance between the loop and ground in your calculations, as these can greatly affect the capacitance.

Additionally, it may be helpful to consider the dielectric properties of the materials involved, as well as the frequency of the current being sent through the loop. These factors can also impact the capacitance and should be taken into account in your calculations.

Overall, it is important to take a thorough and precise approach when calculating capacitance in order to ensure accurate measurements and minimize interference from EM parasites. I wish you success in your research and look forward to seeing the results of your device.
 

FAQ: Capacitance between ground and copper loop in the air

What is capacitance?

Capacitance is the ability of a system to store an electric charge. It is measured in units of farads (F).

How is capacitance between ground and a copper loop in the air calculated?

The capacitance between ground and a copper loop in the air can be calculated using the formula C = ε₀A/d, where C is the capacitance, ε₀ is the permittivity of free space, A is the area of the loop, and d is the distance between the loop and ground.

What factors affect the capacitance between ground and a copper loop in the air?

The capacitance between ground and a copper loop in the air is affected by the distance between the loop and ground, the size and shape of the loop, and the dielectric constant of the material between the loop and ground.

How does the capacitance between ground and a copper loop in the air impact circuit performance?

The capacitance between ground and a copper loop in the air can affect the impedance and voltage of a circuit, as well as the frequency response. It can also cause interference and crosstalk between neighboring circuits.

How can the capacitance between ground and a copper loop in the air be reduced?

The capacitance between ground and a copper loop in the air can be reduced by increasing the distance between the loop and ground, using smaller loop sizes, and choosing materials with lower dielectric constants. Shielding and proper grounding techniques can also help reduce capacitance.

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