Car gyroscopic effect problem/doubt

  • Thread starter Shivanand
  • Start date
  • Tags
    Car
In summary: Imagine your car is a cube, and you're trying to turn it by pushing at one of the corners. It will feel more difficult to turn than if you pushed at the center of one of the sides. This is because the moment of inertia is different. In the case of the cube, the moment of inertia is I = 1/6 * M * L * L. In the case of the car, it's something much larger.In summary, the conversation discusses the problem statement of a car with a flywheel and its ability to steer while in motion. It also considers different scenarios, such as the use of jets to steer and the effect of the car's weight and suspension on its steering ability. Ultimately, it is concluded that
  • #1
Shivanand
9
0
Problem Statement

Suppose a car has mass M. It has a flywheel with axis running from front to back between left and right set of wheels. Let the flywheel have moment of inertia I and let it rotate clockwise at a constant angular velocity of w (omega). The flywheel shaft is held inside two bearings (front and back and it turns clockwise as seen from back of the car. Assume the shaft is massless (See the attached image).

1) If the car is not on road and in free space (vaccuum), if jets are fired from left-front and right-rear corner so that there is a torque tending to steer the car right, can the car steer or does it precess in vertical plane? If it steers, what is the minimum angular velocity of the flywheel to prevent the steering motion?

2)If the car is on road and it is heavy enough to stay in contact with road at all times, and it tries to take a right turn (steer right). The bearings are strong enough to prevent the flywheel from precessing in vertical plane. So the flywheel essentially is not allowed to precess. Will there be any resistance for the steering motion?



My attempt at solution

1) For the first problem I think the car cannot steer due to the jets and just precesses along with the flywheel in the vertical plane.

2) For the second problem I think no resistance is offered for the turn.

Am i right? If I am not could you please correct me? I would be glad to read your responses and ideas. :smile:
 

Attachments

  • Untitled.png
    Untitled.png
    2.2 KB · Views: 1,110
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
1) Correct, it will just precess. The angular momentum vector points along the length of the car. The only source of torque are your two jets, and that torque is perpendicular to the angular momentum, so the angular momentum vector will rotate around axis perpendicular to the wheel axis. (I'm just using the later to denote direction. They have nothing to do with the physics.)

2) The car will seem "heavier" in the turn. It will also "try" to tilt forward or backwards, which you'll notice if there is suspension.
 
  • #3
Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply..:approve:

If there is no suspension (or stiff suspension) and the car is rigid and does not allow any sort of rotation along precession axis, no precession takes place. Will the car still feel heavier to turn? I think that the angular momentum cannot be conserved by precessing and if the tyres are made of undeformable rigid material unaffected by the gyro effects, resistance will not be felt. Is it right? :confused:
 
  • #4
It will still seem "heavier" on a turn.
 
  • #5


I cannot provide a definitive answer without conducting experiments or simulations to accurately determine the behavior of the car in these scenarios. However, I can provide some insights and considerations that may help you in your attempt to solve these problems.

Firstly, the gyroscopic effect is a phenomenon where a spinning object (in this case, the flywheel) resists any force applied to it that tries to change its orientation. This is because the spinning object has angular momentum, which is a property of rotating objects that makes them resistant to changes in their rotational motion.

Now, let's consider the first problem. In this scenario, the car is not on a road and is in free space, so there is no external force acting on it except for the jets that are fired from the left-front and right-rear corners. These jets will create a torque that tries to steer the car to the right. However, because the flywheel is spinning clockwise, it will resist this motion and try to maintain its orientation. This will cause the car to precess in the vertical plane, as you have correctly stated.

To determine the minimum angular velocity of the flywheel that is required to prevent the steering motion, we need to consider the balance of torques acting on the car. The torque created by the jets will be counteracted by the torque created by the spinning flywheel. The magnitude of the torque created by the flywheel is given by T = I * w, where I is the moment of inertia of the flywheel and w is its angular velocity. So, to prevent the steering motion, the torque created by the flywheel must be greater than or equal to the torque created by the jets. Therefore, the minimum angular velocity of the flywheel can be calculated as w = t/I, where t is the torque created by the jets.

For the second problem, the car is on a road and is trying to take a right turn. In this scenario, the bearings are strong enough to prevent the flywheel from precessing in the vertical plane. This means that the flywheel will not resist the steering motion and will allow the car to turn. However, the spinning flywheel will still have some effect on the car's stability and handling. This is because the gyroscopic effect will cause the car to resist any changes in its orientation, which can affect the car's stability and handling during the turn.

In conclusion, your answers seem to be on the right track, but it
 

FAQ: Car gyroscopic effect problem/doubt

How does the gyroscopic effect work in cars?

The gyroscopic effect in cars is caused by the rotation of the wheels. As the wheels turn, the rotating motion creates a gyroscopic force which helps the car maintain stability and resist changes in direction. This is especially important when making turns or navigating uneven terrain.

Can the gyroscopic effect in cars cause steering problems?

While the gyroscopic effect can help with stability, it can also cause steering problems if not properly managed. For example, if a driver suddenly turns the steering wheel while driving at high speeds, the gyroscopic effect can cause the car to resist the change in direction, making it difficult to control. This is why it is important for drivers to be aware of the gyroscopic effect and make gradual turns at high speeds.

Does the gyroscopic effect impact fuel efficiency?

Yes, the gyroscopic effect can impact fuel efficiency in cars. As the wheels rotate, they create resistance which requires more power from the engine to overcome. This can lead to a decrease in fuel efficiency, especially at high speeds. To improve fuel efficiency, some car manufacturers have started implementing technologies to minimize the gyroscopic effect.

Can the gyroscopic effect be used to improve car performance?

Yes, the gyroscopic effect can be used to improve car performance in certain situations. For example, in race cars, the gyroscopic effect can be utilized to help with cornering and maintaining stability at high speeds. However, in regular cars, the gyroscopic effect is primarily used to ensure stability and does not have a significant impact on overall performance.

How does the gyroscopic effect impact driving in different weather conditions?

The gyroscopic effect can have a greater impact on driving in different weather conditions. For example, in wet or icy conditions, the gyroscopic effect can make it more difficult to control the car, as the wheels may have less traction and be more prone to slipping or skidding. In these conditions, it is important for drivers to be aware of the gyroscopic effect and adjust their driving accordingly to ensure safety.

Similar threads

Replies
34
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
20
Views
3K
Replies
16
Views
901
Replies
5
Views
681
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
6K
Back
Top