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- using your battery to prevent rust
Hypothetically speaking, if you wanted to prevent rust on your car frame, how would you wire your battery to your frame?
The efficacy of electronic rust protection for cars is controversial. For example, from: https://www.autotrainingcentre.com/blog/truth-electronic-rust-protection/paradoxlost said:TL;DR Summary: using your battery to prevent rust
Google "boat cathodic protection" for many references to marine rust protection systems. An essential element of these systems is the flow of currents in the water surrounding the boat hull. No analogous currents flow in the atmosphere around an automobile, hence the skepticism expressed in post #2.paradoxlost said:So how are they doing it where it doesn't work? and why wouldn't it work?
Yes, but I believe that secondary system would have to supply current broadly over the surface areas of the car frame and body that you want to protect (just like water does for a boat hull), not just through, say, discrete wires connected to isolated points on the metal.paradoxlost said:so your saying you'd have to install some sort of secondary system that provides a steady flow of electrons?
Well, you'd have to map or model the current flows through the sheets to make sure the distribution provides wide coverage. And if you're going to all the effort to cover the vulnerable frame surfaces with close-fitting graphene, why not instead just apply standard, proven rust-inhibiting coatings like paints, polymers, oils, waxes, etc. that don't require an additional electronic system?paradoxlost said:what if you didn't do on the undercarriage and you used like graphene sheets above the frame, with maybe some sort of contact on the undercarriage?
Or, you could drive your car in a lake....paradoxlost said:Idk, cause I can?
I know someone who did that.Averagesupernova said:Or, you could drive your car in a lake....
so you just have a the cathode end of the contact be some metal resevior that your replaceBaluncore said:If a current flows between two parts of a vehicle, corrosion will be stimulated at some contact in that circuit.
It is better to paint or powder-coat all surfaces, that will prevent conduction and corrosion of metals.
Above all, if water is present, you must prevent chlorine from salt, coming into contact with iron.
The use of a sacrificial anode, requires that the anode be immersed in an electrolyte. The anode metal is dissolved, and passes into the electrolyte, so some metal will be plated onto the cathode, which is the metal structure you want to protect.paradoxlost said:so you just have the cathode end of the contact be some metal reservoir that you replace
Baluncore said:How do you arrange the electrolyte reservoir to create a circuit?
Averagesupernova said:Or, you could drive your car in a lake....
Baluncore said:The use of a sacrificial anode, requires that the anode be immersed in an electrolyte. The anode metal is dissolved, and passes into the electrolyte, so some metal will be plated onto the cathode, which is the metal structure you want to protect.
How do you arrange the electrolyte reservoir to create a circuit?
The coolant system is a closed internal system, that is protected from corrosion by inhibitors in the coolant.paradoxlost said:perhaps the coolant or some analogous situation?
I just don't buy that. It seems like a solvable problem. We may not have the material science for it yet, but it doesn't seem like that difficult of an issue.Baluncore said:The coolant system is a closed internal system, that is protected from corrosion by inhibitors in the coolant.
The manufacturer was careful to select materials and a coolant that would not corrode. If you pass a current through any part of the internal cooling system, you will force corrosion, not reduce it.
You cannot protect a vehicle from corrosion without either; (1) keeping all exterior surfaces covered by a protective surface treatment, or (2) keeping it underwater with a sacrificial anode like a boat hull.
The electrochemistry of corrosion is very well understood, as is circuit theory. What you are asking for, is provably impossible.paradoxlost said:I just don't buy that. It seems like a solvable problem.
If it's not difficult why don't you just go do it?paradoxlost said:I just don't buy that. It seems like a solvable problem. We may not have the material science for it yet, but it doesn't seem like that difficult of an issue.