Classical gases not necessarily ideal

In summary: I'm sure you can do that!In summary, the equations for Systems A, B, and C in thermal equilibrium are PbVb-(beta)Pb-(alpha)Vb+(alpha)(beta)-PaVa=0 and PcVc-PaVa-((gamma)PaVa)/Pc=0. To find the equation relating Pb,Vb and Pc,Vc when system B and C are in thermal equilibrium, we can eliminate PaVa from the equations by rewriting the first equation as PaVa=PbVb-(beta)Pb-(alpha)Vb+(alpha)(beta) and substituting it into the second equation to get the desired equation.
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Logan Land
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Systems A, B, and C are classical gases (not necessarily ideal), each with the same number of molecules N ( or same number of moles n if you prefer), where N is constant. We can measure pressures and volumes Pa,Va ; Pb,Vb ; and Pc,Vc for each system. When A and B are in thermal equilibrium, our measurements show that their pressure and volumes satisfy:
PbVb-(beta)Pb-(alpha)Vb+(alpha)(beta)-PaVa=0

When A and C are in thermal equilibrium, we find:
PcVc-PaVa-((gamma)PaVa)/Pc=0

where (alpha),(beta), and (gamma) are constants.
Find the equation relating Pb,Vb and Pc,Vc that is satisfied when system B and C are in thermal equilibrium.
Would I just set the equation for AB = AC and move the B and C's to one said and A to the other?
 
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LLand314 said:
Systems A, B, and C are classical gases (not necessarily ideal), each with the same number of molecules N ( or same number of moles n if you prefer), where N is constant. We can measure pressures and volumes Pa,Va ; Pb,Vb ; and Pc,Vc for each system. When A and B are in thermal equilibrium, our measurements show that their pressure and volumes satisfy:
PbVb-(beta)Pb-(alpha)Vb+(alpha)(beta)-PaVa=0

When A and C are in thermal equilibrium, we find:
PcVc-PaVa-((gamma)PaVa)/Pc=0

where (alpha),(beta), and (gamma) are constants.
Find the equation relating Pb,Vb and Pc,Vc that is satisfied when system B and C are in thermal equilibrium.
Would I just set the equation for AB = AC and move the B and C's to one said and A to the other?

Hi LLand314!

Not quite. Then you would still have an equation with Pa,Va in it.

The "trick" is to "eliminate" Pa,Va.

If you have for instance:
x-y=3
x-z=5
then you can "eliminate" x as follows.

We can rewrite the first equation as x=y+3.
Substitute that in the second equation to get (y+3)-z=5.
And now we have a relation between y and z, without x.

The same thing applies to your equation, where you should try to eliminate PaVa.
 

FAQ: Classical gases not necessarily ideal

What are classical gases?

Classical gases refer to a group of gases that can be described using classical physics laws, such as the ideal gas law. These gases are made up of individual particles that move freely and collide with each other and the walls of their container.

How do classical gases differ from ideal gases?

Unlike ideal gases, classical gases do not necessarily follow the ideal gas law, which assumes that the gas particles have no volume and do not interact with each other. In reality, classical gases have non-zero volumes and experience intermolecular forces.

What are the limitations of using classical gas laws?

Classical gas laws have limitations in their applicability, as they do not take into account quantum effects and the behavior of gases at high pressures and low temperatures. They also do not accurately describe real gases with complex molecular structures.

How are classical gases studied in science?

Classical gases are studied using various experimental and theoretical methods. These include gas laws, thermodynamics, and statistical mechanics. Scientists also use computer simulations and modeling to understand the behavior of classical gases.

Can classical gases be considered as ideal gases in certain conditions?

Yes, under certain conditions, classical gases can behave similarly to ideal gases. This is when the gas particles are widely spaced, have low intermolecular forces, and are at high temperatures. However, in most real-world scenarios, classical gases do not behave ideally.

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