Closed Sets in XxY & Recognizing W in RxR

In summary, the conversation discusses how to show that A x B is a closed subset of X x Y with the product topology if A and B are closed. It also gives an example of a closed subset W of RxR where the first component is not closed in R, and discusses how to recognize a closed subset in RxR. The conversation also mentions the definition of the product topology and provides a hint for finding an example for 2). The final example given for W is {x,y|y=1/x}, with the first component being R/{0}, which is not closed in R.
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Homework Statement


1. If A and B are closed. Show that A x B is a closed subset of X x Y with the product topology.

2. Give an example of a closed subset W of RxR such that the first component of W (it is made up of two components) is not closed in R.

For 2. How does one recognise a closed subset W in RxR?

For 1. How do you show A x B is closed in general? Is the only way from functions like pi and when one end is open or closed the other must be as well.
 
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RxR is R^2, the plane, and closed subsets are just sets containing their boundaries. For example, points, lines, line segments (with endopints included), closed disks (ie, including the boundary circle), and any finite union of these are closed.

What is your definition of the product topology? One definition makes this problem less than trivial. For the other, which is probably the one you're using, you need to show that the complement of AxB is open, ie, is a union of basis sets. This can be done by some set theory, made easier by drawing a picture.
 
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I've done 1) by using the pi mapping and using the property of cty of pi.

What about an example for 2)?
 
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I'll give you a hint: the graph of a continuous function f(x) is closed (prove this). Try looking at some familiar functions.
 
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How about the example W={x,y|y=1/x} which is closed in R^2 because W contains all its adherent points.

The first component of W is R/{0} which is not closed as 0 an adherent point of R but not in W.

Correct?
 
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Yea, that works.
 

FAQ: Closed Sets in XxY & Recognizing W in RxR

What is a closed set in XxY?

A closed set in XxY is a set of points that includes all its limit points. This means that if a sequence of points in the set converges, the limit point must also be included in the set.

How do you recognize a closed set in RxR?

In RxR, a closed set can be recognized by checking if all of its boundary points are included in the set. If the set contains all its boundary points, it is considered closed.

What is the difference between a closed set and an open set?

A closed set includes all its limit points, while an open set does not. In other words, a closed set is "closed off" and contains its boundary points, while an open set is "open" and does not contain its boundary points.

How are closed sets important in mathematics?

Closed sets are important in mathematics because they help define the concept of convergence. In order for a sequence of points to converge, the limit point must be included in the set, making it a closed set. They are also used in various mathematical theorems and proofs.

Can a set be both open and closed?

Yes, a set can be both open and closed. This type of set is called a clopen set. An example of a clopen set is the set of all real numbers between 0 and 1, including 0 and 1 themselves. This set is open because it does not contain its boundary points, but it is also closed because it includes all of its limit points.

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