Closest distance of approach between 2 charged particles

In summary, the closest distance of approach between two charged particles occurs when the electrostatic repulsion between them balances their kinetic energy, resulting in a point where they momentarily stop before repelling each other. This distance can be calculated using principles from classical physics, particularly Coulomb's law and energy conservation, taking into account the charges and velocities of the particles involved.
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Homework Statement
Two identical point charges are moving in free space, when they are 60 cm apart, their velocities are equal in magnitude and make angles of 45 degrees from the line joining them as shown in the figure. If at this instant their total kinetic energy is equal to their potential energy, what will be the distance of closest approach between them? (Source: YouTube video; Name: Electrostatics | Advanced Problem | Closest Distance of Approach Between Two Charged particles)
Relevant Equations
$$v_f = v_i - at$$
$$s = v_ot - \frac {at^2} 2$$
$$F = ma$$
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A few hours ago, I tried solving this problem and I'm still not quite sure if I've made a mistake somewhere or perhaps the guy in the video is wrong? Anyway, here's my solution:

In the problem we're given that the total kinetic energy of of these 2 charges at this instant(look at the picture) is equal to their potential energy, thus we can write:$$\sum E_k=Ep$$ $$2 \frac {mv_o^2} 2 =k \frac {q^2} r$$ Simplifying this we get $$mv_o^2 = k \frac {q^2} r , (1)$$

The speed of one particle in the y direction is going to stay constant during the whole interaction because the force on the particles does work only in the x direction. So we can write $$v_y=v_{oy}=v_o \cos ⁡45^{\circ}=v_o \frac {\sqrt{2}}2$$ Now the x direction. The initial velocity in the x direction is equal to the initial velocity in the y direction(magnitude). Both of these particles are going to decelerate due to the electrostatic force acting on both particles $$F_e=k \frac {q^2} {r^2}$$ By the second Newton's law, we get that the acceleration is, $$a=k\frac {q^2} {mr^2}$$ When the magnitude of velocities of these 2 particles reaches zero, we get the closest distance of approach. By plugging that into the kinematics equation we get, ##v_i=at##, or $$v_{ox}=at \iff v_o \frac {\sqrt{2}} 2=at \iff v_o \frac {\sqrt{2}} 2=k\frac {q^2} {mr^2} t$$ $$\iff t = \frac {\sqrt{2}} 2 \frac{v_o m r^2} {kq^2}$$Using the second kinematics equation we will get the distance covered by one of the particles, $$s=v_{ox}t−\frac {at^2} 2$$, or $$s=\frac{\sqrt{2}} 2 v_o t−\frac {at^2} 2$$ Plugging in for ##t## and ##a## and simplifying we get $$s=\frac{1} 2 \frac {v_o^2mr^2}{kq^2}−\frac {1} 4 \frac {v_o^2mr^2} {kq^2}$$ From this we get $$s=\frac {1} 4 \frac {mv_o^2 r^2}{kq^2}$$ Now comes the equation we derived above (1). By substituting, we get $$s=\frac {1} 4 \frac {k \frac {q^2} {r} r^2} {kq^2}$$ Or $$s=\frac{1} 4 r$$ Both particles are going to travel the same distance thus the closest distance of approach is going to be $$r_2=r−2s \iff r_2=r−2\frac {1} 4 r \iff r_2=r−\frac {1} 2 r \iff r_2=\frac {1} 2 r \iff r_ 2=\frac {1} 2 60cm \iff r_2=30cm$$ In the video the guy somehow got $$r_2=\frac {2} 3 r$$
 
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There was a glitch. It will take me some time to convert this back to latex. I refreshed the page and everything crashed.
 
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You are using the kinematic equations for constant acceleration. Is the acceleration constant?
 
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kuruman said:
You using the kinematic equations for constant acceleration. Is the acceleration constant?
Ah, I completely overlooked that. I guess I'll have to integrate or perhaps I could try setting up an equation for conservation of energy since net external force is 0. I would really like to try integrating this, but I haven't done much calculus. Would an integral in this problem be hard to solve?
 
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What is "this" that you want to integrate and why? Just equate the mechanical energy at the moment shown in the figure with the mechanical energy at the moment of closest approach.
 
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kuruman said:
What is "this" that you want to integrate and why? Just equate the mechanical energy at the moment shown in the figure with the mechanical energy at the moment of closest approach.
Never mind. I got the solution using conservation of energy. Thank you for pointing out my mistake!
 
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FAQ: Closest distance of approach between 2 charged particles

What is the closest distance of approach between two charged particles?

The closest distance of approach between two charged particles refers to the minimum distance that one charged particle can reach to another charged particle without being influenced by other forces. This distance is determined by the balance between the electrostatic repulsion (or attraction) between the charges and their kinetic energy.

How is the closest distance of approach calculated?

The closest distance of approach can be calculated using the conservation of energy principle. The kinetic energy of the incoming charged particle is converted into electrostatic potential energy at the point of closest approach. The formula is given by: \[ KE = \frac{k \cdot |q_1 \cdot q_2|}{r} \]where \( KE \) is the kinetic energy, \( k \) is Coulomb's constant, \( q_1 \) and \( q_2 \) are the charges of the particles, and \( r \) is the closest distance of approach.

Does the mass of the charged particles affect the closest distance of approach?

Yes, the mass of the charged particles affects the closest distance of approach indirectly through their kinetic energy. A more massive particle with the same charge and velocity will have more kinetic energy, which can result in a greater closest distance of approach compared to a lighter particle. However, the charge and initial velocity are more significant factors in determining the distance.

What factors influence the closest distance of approach?

The closest distance of approach is influenced by several factors, including the magnitudes of the charges of the particles, their initial velocities, and the angle of approach. Additionally, external fields and other forces can also affect the trajectory and thus the closest distance of approach.

Can the closest distance of approach be zero?

Theoretically, the closest distance of approach can approach zero if the kinetic energy of one particle is sufficiently high to overcome the electrostatic repulsion of the other particle. However, in practical scenarios, quantum mechanical effects and other interactions typically prevent actual contact between charged particles, especially at very small scales.

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