Coil that conducts direct current

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Does that coil radiate?
I assume that electric current is made up of moving electric charges. If this hypothesis is correct, then the current that flows through a coil is made up of accelerated charges.

I am not interested in evaluating the situation quantitatively. My question is conceptual. Does a coil that conducts direct current radiate electromagnetic waves?
 
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south said:
I am not interested in evaluating the situation quantitatively. ... Does a coil that conducts direct current radiate electromagnetic waves?
No. I would explain further but you don’t want any math.
 
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Hi Dave. Thanks for the reply.
My wording was poor.
I meant to point out that in practical terms, even if the coil radiated, it would emit a negligible amount of energy and we would not take the effect into account.
In purely theoretical terms it does not matter how much energy it emits, if any. I just want to ask, does it emit or not?
 
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south said:
I just want to ask, does it emit or not?
No it does not. A single charge traveling in a loop does radiate due to it's centripetal acceleration. But a vast number of closely-spaced charges moving in a loop (i.e., a macroscopic electric current) does not radiate, due to cancelations between the charges. (This follows from the math that you don't want to see!)
 
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I understand what you have expressed regarding the set of charges.
Did I say that I do not want to see math?
Another flaw in my writing. I did not intend to say that.
I will gladly read the math.
 
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south said:
I will gladly read the math.
The answer to your question follows from solving this textbook problem from J.D. Jackson, Classical Electrodynamics (2nd ed.) involving Liénard-Wiechert potentials arising from ##N## equally-spaced charges:
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You can likely find the full solution posted somewhere online.
 
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OK, so if you look at Jefimenko's equations we see:
$$ \mathbf{E}(\mathbf{r}, t) = \frac{1}{4 \pi \varepsilon_0} \int \left[\frac{\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{r}'}{|\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{r}'|^3}\rho(\mathbf{r}', t_r) + \frac{\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{r}'}{|\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{r}'|^2}\frac{1}{c}\frac{\partial \rho(\mathbf{r}', t_r)}{\partial t} - \frac{1}{|\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{r}'|}\frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial \mathbf{J}(\mathbf{r}', t_r)}{\partial t} \right] dV' $$

The first two terms decay as ##r^{-3}## and ##r^{-2}## respectively, so they represent the near field, not radiation. The radiation term is the third one, the one that decays as ##r^{-1}##:
$$ - \frac{1}{|\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{r}'|}\frac{1}{c^2}\frac{\partial \mathbf{J}(\mathbf{r}', t_r)}{\partial t} $$

Notice that this term is proportional to ##\frac{\partial \mathbf{J}(\mathbf{r}', t_r)}{\partial t}##. For a DC current this is, by definition, 0. So, the radiation is 0.
 
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Thank you very much. Best regards.
 
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