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Hi everyone. I wasn't really sure where to put this thread so I stuck it here, which seems the closest fit.
Anyway I've been thinking about this for too long: what characterises the unit ball of a norm? Let's be specific: consider a finite-dimensional vector space, which may as well be [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex].
Now I think that every convex and compact set C containing the origin in its interior is the unit ball of some norm. I suspect convexity is too strong a condition and we can get away with less, but I can't think what weaker conditions will work. Define all the points lying on the boundary of the set C to have norm one. Now for any vector x in the space there must be some real number [itex]\lambda[/itex] such that [itex]\lambda x[/itex] lies on the boundary of C. Then define the norm of x to be [itex]|\lambda |^{-1}[/itex], and the norm of the origin to be zero. I think I have a proof that such a [itex]\lambda[/itex] does indeed exist; uniqueness may be troublesome but should follow from the convexity (this is why I want convexity); at least it is intuitively clear that this number exists and is unique. Now let's check this is actually a norm we have defined:
1) It's clear the norm is always non-negative and zero only for the zero vector.
2) The scaling of vectors (positive homogeneity) is all dandy with respect to the norm.
3) The triangle inequality is tough. I have no idea why this should be true. Perhaps this follows from convexity too?
Am I vaguely on the right track? What exactly characterises the unit balls of norm in a Euclidean space? Now every inner product induces a norm, so what characterises unit balls arising from inner-products? How do they differ from a unit ball of a norm that doesn't come from an inner-product? Are all norms from some inner-product?
Already this matter brings up many questions, and there are even more if we generalise. What about if we think of a vector space of arbitrary dimension, not necessarily finite? I suspect we can say very little in this case, simply because almost none of the nice properties finite dimensional vector spaces have carries over to the infinite dimensional case, but I have nothing precise to say in this case. What about vector spaces over an arbitrary field? I suppose there are many other closely related questions, all very interesting, which I have not asked but I would like to know about as well.
Any help? I know I've asked a lot of questions, so can you point me toward the literature so I can read up about this? Thank-you.
Anyway I've been thinking about this for too long: what characterises the unit ball of a norm? Let's be specific: consider a finite-dimensional vector space, which may as well be [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex].
Now I think that every convex and compact set C containing the origin in its interior is the unit ball of some norm. I suspect convexity is too strong a condition and we can get away with less, but I can't think what weaker conditions will work. Define all the points lying on the boundary of the set C to have norm one. Now for any vector x in the space there must be some real number [itex]\lambda[/itex] such that [itex]\lambda x[/itex] lies on the boundary of C. Then define the norm of x to be [itex]|\lambda |^{-1}[/itex], and the norm of the origin to be zero. I think I have a proof that such a [itex]\lambda[/itex] does indeed exist; uniqueness may be troublesome but should follow from the convexity (this is why I want convexity); at least it is intuitively clear that this number exists and is unique. Now let's check this is actually a norm we have defined:
1) It's clear the norm is always non-negative and zero only for the zero vector.
2) The scaling of vectors (positive homogeneity) is all dandy with respect to the norm.
3) The triangle inequality is tough. I have no idea why this should be true. Perhaps this follows from convexity too?
Am I vaguely on the right track? What exactly characterises the unit balls of norm in a Euclidean space? Now every inner product induces a norm, so what characterises unit balls arising from inner-products? How do they differ from a unit ball of a norm that doesn't come from an inner-product? Are all norms from some inner-product?
Already this matter brings up many questions, and there are even more if we generalise. What about if we think of a vector space of arbitrary dimension, not necessarily finite? I suspect we can say very little in this case, simply because almost none of the nice properties finite dimensional vector spaces have carries over to the infinite dimensional case, but I have nothing precise to say in this case. What about vector spaces over an arbitrary field? I suppose there are many other closely related questions, all very interesting, which I have not asked but I would like to know about as well.
Any help? I know I've asked a lot of questions, so can you point me toward the literature so I can read up about this? Thank-you.
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