Compressed air powered water pressure

In summary, the author has been trying to find a way to maintain pressure in showers and toilets during blackouts without resorting to a water tower. He has considered two solutions, one using mains power to
  • #36
Thread is reopened...
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #37
timMoore said:
If you want to use compressed air and water there are a few energy storage options.
Compressing air always involves heating it up and that thermal energy is of the same order as the stored mechanical energy. For good efficiency, it would be necessary to insulate the stored high pressure air which would limit the time period it could be used for. Also, very high temperatures would be involved.

Whoops - I already made this point two years ago. well spotted, Mods!
 
  • Haha
Likes russ_watters and berkeman
  • #38
I don't understand why everyone is stuck on the same basic perception, focusing on the how not the problem.

Use water to do the job. Use water in a bladder type action on top of the water being used, then when the water level gets low, transfer the water from the bladder into a side storage to remove the force being applied from above, then transfer the water that was in the bladder to the usage tank it had been applying pressure to, then either size those tanks so that they hold enough till pumps can fill the bladder up again, or manually fill it. No need for complex pneumatic systems or pumps.

But for dishes and hand washing, yes foot driven pneumatic pumps are simple and free from needing expensive pipelines and compressors with huge storage tanks.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #39
simpleengr said:
I don't understand why everyone is stuck on the same basic perception, focusing on the how not the problem.

Use water to do the job. Use water in a bladder type action on top of the water being used, then when the water level gets low, transfer the water from the bladder into a side storage to remove the force being applied from above, then transfer the water that was in the bladder to the usage tank it had been applying pressure to, then either size those tanks so that they hold enough till pumps can fill the bladder up again, or manually fill it. No need for complex pneumatic systems or pumps.

But for dishes and hand washing, yes foot driven pneumatic pumps are simple and free from needing expensive pipelines and compressors with huge storage tanks.
How does that differ from gravity feed?... other than needing a bladder?
 
  • #40
simpleengr said:
Use water in a bladder type action on top of the water being used, then when the water level gets low, transfer the water from the bladder into a side storage to remove the force being applied from above, then transfer the water that was in the bladder to the usage tank it had been applying pressure to, then either size those tanks so that they hold enough till pumps can fill the bladder up again, or manually fill it. No need for complex pneumatic systems or pumps.
Honestly, with all that 'transfer' it sounds like a really complicated steampunk fantasy about plenty of brass knobs'n'stuff.
With a decent misunderstanding about hydrostatic pressure around the part of 'force being applied from above'.

Could you please elaborate?
 
  • Like
Likes sophiecentaur

Similar threads

Replies
8
Views
3K
Replies
5
Views
865
Replies
6
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
13
Views
4K
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
2K
Back
Top